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🎺CommanderB...
But happened to global warming?
Hanover FisteAuthor
Your autocorrect is giving you hell lately!
Hanover FisteAuthor
Anyway would you like to bet less than 40% pass this one on? 😂
Viqueen
There may be warming or change caused by humans indeed - nobody is really sure, but if so, it will be probably offset with this new mini ice age. Anyway, that has been my theory all along.
NotDarkYet 👁
There are of course natural fluctuations in all self-regulating systems, but never before has there been such an activity and impact on nature as man now exercises.
Hanover FisteAuthor
NotDarkYet 👁, I'll agree man has the greatest impact than ever, well there's 7 billion people now....It would be really odd if cavemen had a bigger impact when there were a few million. However if you look at the whole picture, the planet was once all tropical, then it was almost all ice. It has has fluctuations in between as long as earth existed. There's no such thing as a stable climate.
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, exactly
Random Obsessions
I thought this was a big thing in the 90s?
José Zueco...™
Yeah, now they use it again to keep on using fossil fuels, without fossil fuels the US is bankrupt...
Random Obsessions
José Zueco...™, so what's America going to do when fossil fuels run out? (Probably won't be in any of our lifetimes but still)
José Zueco...™
Random Obsessions, nobody knows...
Hanover FisteAuthor
José Zueco...™, I don't think any of these climate alarms will effect fossil fuel usage. They will be phased out in due time. The tech is almost ripe. I posted an article last week about solar being the cheapest form of electricity for the first time this year. Nobody commented. Once electric cars can run for 300 miles and charge in minutes, and cost less than 30k we will all be driving them.
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, I have solar on my house now. In Minnesota it is cloudy in the fall and winter. In great summer I make lots of electricity and money. In the winter - not so much.
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., Yep that's the negative with solar. It will likely never be a primary source. It is however a great clean supplement. It will only get better 👍
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, I'm glad the temperature doesn't effect it too much.
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., Lol
Morfeo
🎺CommanderB..., oooh the temperature, that's a neat idea.
Morfeo
🎺CommanderB..., I am running towards the uni, I need a lab
🎺CommanderB...
43% as of 8:00 CST in Minnesota! Good one!
Hans Bauer
Even if this was true, they don't even claim that the warming of the last half century was caused by the sun as well.
Hanover FisteAuthor
I'd say a little of both. We were supposed to have an ice age by 2000 back in the 1970's
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, You can kind of see that from the data how they mught have thought that back then. But when you look at the big picture, the overall trend is pretty clear https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/annual.jpg?w=500
Alejandro🎺🎰🚁🚁
This is a classic and still holds true -George Carlin https://youtu.be/BB0aFPXr4n4
Hans Bauer
Doesn't mention global warming once. That's because in the 80s it didn't seem like the planet was warming, but now with 30 more years of data it's pretty clear https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/annual.jpg?w=500
Alejandro🎺🎰🚁🚁
Hans Bauer, I believe it was called global cooling as one of two possible doomsday scenarios we could choose from than
Hans Bauer
Alejandro🎺🎰, In the 80s or so, yes. But as I said, look at the data: you can see why some have thought that back then. But with 30 more years of data, the overall trend is undeniable
Alejandro🎺🎰🚁🚁
Hans Bauer, Yes, so when Are we supposed to parish off this time?
🎺CommanderB...
Alejandro🎺🎰, the George Carlin video was from 9 years ago.
Alejandro🎺🎰🚁🚁
🎺CommanderB..., Yes, but I was responding to an 80's reference that Hans made.
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, that's my point. When the sun has 11 year and 90 year cycles you can't take a 30 year trend and say it's forever.
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, Oh, I'm not saying the temperature trend is primarily caused by the sun. I'm saying it may be possible - if however unlikely, I think - that the sun's cycles can change climate in earth so quickly, but there are certainly ALSO other ways to change the climate. It's not just one or the other, proving the sun influences the climate doesn't proof nothing else does
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, lol the sun is the only source of heat. Turn it off and we instantly die well 8 minutes later. Check this out https://www.google.com/amp/s/stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/amp/
Hans Bauer
🎺CommanderB..., Doubt it, but even if: Then he was just wrong (this is how he look 9 years ago, at age 71. Not quote like in the video http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/comedian-and-actor-george-carlin-poses-for-a-photograph-at-a-with-picture-id81031897 )
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, but this one is even better. They think we're not paying attention. Since the ice age scare when I was a kid I have kept documents,but this website has the info I also have so I can share it with you. It's funny that they think trump will delete what they have already deleted http://realclimatescience.com/2015/11/record-crushing-fraud-from-noaa-and-nasa-ahead-of-paris/
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, US temperatures =/= world temperatures Let's say we built something that lets short-wavelength light through but not relatively long-wavelength light. Then this short-wavelength light hits earth, heats up things, but then this "reflection light" (not directly a reflection, but the radiation that the heating up created) can't get out to space anymore - because this thing we built doesn't let through longer-wavelength light - and instead keeps the heat in the system. What would happen? Would that heat up earth, cool it down, or do nothing? Please before you write anything else write whether you think it heats up, cools down or does nothing (or whether you don't know, that's ok, too)
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, do you know what the #1 greenhouse gas is, and where co2 ranks in the list?
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, There's a lot more CO2 in the atmosphere than methane or whatever
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, pick me, pick me!! Ooh ooh!
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., Lol
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, I guess you know, from the other card, water vapor is the biggest green house gas. On the other card I explained a way we can easily collect more co2 than man even creates as it enters the atmosphere.
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, Did you? I honesty didn't catch that
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, elaborate please
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, also you dodged the question: heat up, cool down, or nothing?
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, on the other card you mentioned water vapor, so I thought you knew...It's greenhouse effect is hundreds of times greater than co2
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, let's keep this on one card now lol. Too hard back n forth. You pick. This card is mine so we won't bother anyone plus I can delete what you say if I don't like it 😂 just kidding...
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, I didn't dodge the question, I thought my answer would suffice. Both are greenhouse gasses which is what you were referring to, so obviously it would heat up. But co2 is a very weak greenhouse gas. If, in fact it is the culprit, there's a solution that won't kill the world's economy....
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, This card is fine So you have both water vapor and co2 in the atmosphere, and you know increasing greenhouse gases will increase temperatures, which in turn will increase water vapor. So increasing either of the two - in this case CO2 - increases temperatures. Then these temperatures allow for more water vapor in the atmosphere, which THEN contributes the most to the FURTHER increase in temperature. But that doesn't mean CO2 wasn't the original cause of this temperature rise
Hanover FisteAuthor
Water vapor has always existed, so although it's the biggest greenhouse gas, it's natural, necessary and has a limit. You can't go past 100% humidity without rain. Something else has triggered it. Since the alarmists don't want to talk about the sun....And people who do, say it has the greatest effect, I'm going with the theory with the most comprehensive info, not the one that only looks at one element. As long as I have been alive there have been dire alarms. Ice age by 2000 (obviously didn't happen) . Hole in the ozone (which has always been there). Acid rain ( which was actually real), now global warming AND an ice age....Which is impossible 😂. Also when lake Erie died, they said it would be dead at least 1000 years, but it came back in a decade. https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/58#.WHBYB3pMHqA You may see why I'm a bit sceptical when they're now saying it's irreversible, and were all gonna die. Then you add to it the changing of historical data and it stinks of a plot. I'm not totally turned off because I support a cleaner planet, and I know we have the ability to destroy it, but there's too many red flags. If you repeat it enough, and laugh at the sceptics, then everyone will fall in!
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, ding ding ding ding!! We have a winner!!
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., Lol I like how you've been sitting in the background this whole time 😂👍
Alejandro🎺🎰🚁🚁
Hanover Fiste, 👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
Hanover FisteAuthor
Alejandro🎺🎰, thank you thank you *takes a bow* hmm I didn't realize it was that good! Thanks for pointing that out. I need to archive it and read it again 😎
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, Clinate Arlamists don't deny the existence of the sun, or the fact that the sun has an impact on the climate. Their point is that the sun's cycles are, well, cyclyistic, so they don't change overall, while this exponential increase in temperatures - caused by heat being trapped by water vapor, which creates more heat and water vapor etc. Also the fact that you can't go beyond 100% humidity doesn't change the fact that you can go from 1% to 1.1%
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, the sun...Has many cycles, and they're not synchronized. Therefore you can have a high low high, high low low, or high high high, etc. The last time the sun acted like it does today was nearly 300 years ago. Alarmists look at the last 30 years and draw conclusions. Have you seen the 5000 year history graph? It's getting hard to find but I'll see if I can link it for you....
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, it's good to listen and observe.
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., A wise old owl sat on an oak. The more he saw, the less he spoke. The less he spoke the more he heard. That's why the owl is such a wise old bird. 👍
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, some people feel the rain, others only get wet.
Hanover FisteAuthor
🎺CommanderB..., 👍
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, First of, everything that graph sayd about after 2014 is speculation at best. Because we can clearly see that temperatures have not even fallen below the 1980 point, let alone the 1880 point (on the graph of actual year to year numbers I've linked anove https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/annual.jpg?w=500 ) unlike what this graph tries to tell you. Also there was no major cooling anywhere after 1800, again: unlike what that graph tries to claim (graph of actual temperatures that goes back to 1800 https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/sites/www.e-education.psu.edu.earth103/files/M2I7_1800_2011.png ) And here's the point: I don't doubt that temperatures have fluctuates that much throughout history. But it was never THAT fast. Look at even your own graph: At no point was it THAT fast, was it?
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, Even as Breitbart tries to make fun of this, they prove my point: http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/09/xkcd-climate-history-600a.gif Look at the slope at the end of thid graph they show and all the time before that. The steeper the slope, the faster the temperature change. The slope at the end is like 3 times steeper than anything before that. Meaning either just completely randomly right after we start the industrialisation on a large scale, do temperatures rise at a rate the world hasn'tdeen before and it's just a complete coincidence, or the link between CO2 and water vapor -> even more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused this unprecidented rise in temperatures
Hans Bauer
Hans Bauer, The slope at the end is 3x higher than it was ever before in human history https://plag.com/post/1098848691/
Morfeo
Hanover, I strove to deduct you opinion on climate warming, even if you discussed it quite clearly with Hans. What is it? I am curious.
Hanover FisteAuthor
I'm on the fence with man-made. I'm quite sure the sun has an effect since it always has for millions of years. If we get an ice age in 15 years then we will know that the sun has more effect. There is clear evidence for anyone seriously looking for it that much data has been exaggerated. There's a history of scientists becoming alarmists. That said this one could be true just like acid rain. But I'm not going to join the doom parade just yet. I'm being open minded but sceptical. Hope that answers your question.
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, The sun's impact could be seen in the last 20 thousand years or so: slow but steady changes in temperature (that graph that Breitbart posted) However today already the rise is 3 times faster than ever before, and since the greenhouse effect is exponential with the water vapor, well..
Morfeo
Hanover Fiste, thank you for the imput. :)
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, yeah because the earth didn't have water vapor until man made it 😂
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, ding ding ding ding!! We have a winner!! Again!
Hans Bauer
Hanover Fiste, Nobody's saying that, it also had CO2 before. It's just that man increased the amount of CO2. I think that's pretty much indisputed http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/images/lawdome.GIF
Hanover FisteAuthor
Hans Bauer, I don't remember disputing that...
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