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Photo #1 from Bandera, United States by GiantManInSky made on 2018-08-24 23:56 for Sola
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thelevel
Depends on if you're here legally...
Viqueen
I am not on favor of there being a bunch of illegals in any country, yet having had to deal with the US immigration authorities to obtain and prolong my legal status, I fully understand how easy it is to become an illegal through no fault of your own, solely due to the amount of red tape and the incompetence of the authorities to arrange their work in a streamlined manner.
Gesithan
Dude why don't you check out what is happening in the real actual stateless, classless anarchist world? It's way cool.
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GiantManInSkyAuthor
Where is that? That sounds terrific, is it communist, sydicalist, mutualist, or any of the other variants? Personally I'd like Anarcho Capitalism but to me, all that really matters is the destruction of the State.
Gesithan
GiantManInSky, lol
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Gesithan
GiantManInSky, in all seriousness though, capitalism was a creation of and requires the state to enforce private property rights.
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GiantManInSkyAuthor
Gesithan, in all seriousness though, you're completely wrong. Systems such as mercantilism, corporatism and other State building systems are systems that are instilled by the state. Not capitalism. In fact, the state practically ensures that there are no actual private property rights through taxation and policies such as eminent domain.
Gesithan
GiantManInSky, enclosure acts
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GiantManInSkyAuthor
Gesithan, the *Inclosure acts were still a violation of property rights. Just because the property wasn't divided among the peasants living in the wastes doesn't mean that it wasn't their rightful personal and collective property. It is because of the state and it's cohorts, or specifically Parliament and it's mercantilist interests in that case because they chose to force one single model of property organization on everyone in that geographical area. If it had only been a merchant or group of merchants forcing the peasants off the land then people would have seen it as evil and disgusting but instead the State did it. I'm not supporting the homelessness of peasants. That was a State claiming land that was labeled as "wastes" so that they could sell and tax it without getting too much kickback. They started during a time of extreme mercantilism in Europe, they were ruthless in there lust for more power. And the only reason they were able to get away with it was because of the false legitimacy of the State fooling the people that it was so easily done. Just because a group of people decide on stealing land from others doesn't mean it's right, just like if any business did it. But the thing is, I can choose to stop supporting a business and they could face real repurcussions. But if you were to withdraw your support from a monopolistic criminal organization like the United States Government then they take your house, your car, your job, your life(in some cases), and that's just if you stop paying them their taxes. Imagine if you tried to fight back against one of their thugs who tries to kidnap you and throw you in a cage. Point is, I hate the State and any corporations acting like one too. I'd be the same amount of pissed off if they tried that shit with Slab City. The thing is, is that when a commune has "no property", I get the meaning of it. When someone "owns" something; when someone owns "property", it comes with a gross implication that they could destroy it if they wanted. But most people don't want their houses, homes, lives destroyed by anyone, let alone themselves. But as long as States claim land that they have no legitimate claim too, private property and collective property is a myth. I mean, can you believe that the United States government would willingly bomb it's own citizens? It's not your house, your home, your life that they care about; it's not my house, my home, my life that they care about either. It's them, their power, their territory that they lust for. Filthy fucking politicians. They can do anything they want and they'll still get paid because in all reality, what they force every business to pay us isn't our money, it's their money, they get it from you no matter what. Even if you expat you still have to pay about 5 Grand. (Sorry for ranting, just know that I am not your enemy, and that I don't just sit and kiss the ass of everything merchants and business people do)
Gesithan
GiantManInSky, nothing you just said was particulary wrong, except i disagree that there's a functional difference between capitalists and statist actors. The two feed each other in my worldview. Neither can exist without the other; and it is entirely feasible to build a society that genuinely allows for individual liberty while simultaneously ensuring a minimum level of effort/reward is had by almost all.
GiantManInSkyAuthor
Gesithan, well, in the Voluntarist's general theory of revolution, it is explicitly an intellectual one. Honestly I think modernizing the Syndicalist strategy with the Voluntarist strategy for achieving a stateless society would also be a huge help. To me, I don't see all business like you do but I definitely see the way that the state and corporations work together to trick us. I mean, check this out for second, Anarchisms' main focus is to build a society, an ethical society. Societies start automatically adhering to the Non Aggression Axiom and if fostered to become an upheld moral principle throughout all Anarchist ideologies like it technically already is then why not keep shit exciting and if (it's probably more of a "when" type deal to you) a business starts resembling something like a State then we can both fuck it up and keep the revolution alive throughout the generations. (But seriously, just thought of that Voluntarist + Syndicalist strategy and it actually seems pretty damn legit in my head😂😂)
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