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3 thugs with guns dead, 2 more in the hospital, then jail.

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God.
When the political state is so dramatic that the death of three men so deseprate for money that they break into a house is regarded as excellent maybe we should reflect, eh?
Farmer Jeff
God., your grammar teacher must be so proud of you. That was one hell of a run on scentence.
🎺CommanderB...
God., it is excellent the perpetrators have been properly dealt with, in a most expedient fashion. Guns save lives.
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God.
Farmer Jeff, hurhur grammur
God.
🎺CommanderB..., "properly'.
Hyde
God., if they behaved in an appropriate manner *respecting other people and their property*, then they would would not be in this situation.
God.
Hyde, Supporting murder is just so far beyond anything I can realisticallt comprehend. It was never mentioned that these men were even armed. I could just as well see a desperate mother trying to pull this, and she deserved to be shot too? I really cant see this being anything but a way to push anti-gun control narrative, because at face value this guy shot and killed 3 unarmed men so desperate that they're breaking into properties. I just dont get it.
God.
Hyde, im not saying he's in the legal wring for defending his property, but morally how he defended it is not something to be supported.
Farmer Jeff
God., did you even read the article dumbass? “One neighbor told the outlet that he saw two men with guns attempting to enter the property, and others pulled up so he went back inside his home.”
Hyde
God., I don't see this as "murder", nor do I see a "desperate mother" trying to pull this. *Those are rather silly dramatizations on your part, in a failed attempt to attach emotions to criminals* I believe a desperate mother would knock on the door and ask.
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., 1 criminals have always existed. Blaming the government is quite idiotic. 2 self defense is not murder. Maybe you would rather have chaos?
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., "One neighbor told the outlet that he saw two men with guns attempting to enter the property, and others pulled up so he went back inside his home." So it was either kill or be killed. I choose to live. It's my choice.
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, students wearing MAGA hats have nothing to do with the posted topic. Living is a good choice. I am wearing a MAGA cap right now.
God.
Farmer Jeff, I did. I didnt see that. That changes my position entirely.
God.
Hyde, With unarmed criminals I don't think its a dramitization. I dont see why those situations are any diffenrent. With armed ones yeah, its defense and fair game.
God.
Hyde, and I dont particularly see her knocking to rob yoy but alright
🎺CommanderB...
God., if someone enters your house unannounced, at night with 3-4 of their best friends, you don't have to know if they are armed! Start shooting!
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., No.
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., Just wait and see if they're armed. Then when you find out, figure out what to do next, right? Maybe the police will magically show up and protect you.
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God.
Hanover Fiste, you're right. I should just fire at anything that moves on my property blindly. The postman? COULD BE ARMED. A relative showing up late at night? COULD BE ARMED. Ignorance sure is bliss!
Farmer Jeff
God., the postman doesn’t deliver mail at 1:00 in the morning. And my friends and relatives know better to call before they just show up, especially if it’s going to be at 1:00 in the morning. My doors get locked at night. If someone unexpected is in my house at 1:00 in the morning I can safely assume they don’t belong here. You can almost guarantee that I’ll be giving them a few bullets to stop the crime they are committing.
God.
Farmer Jeff, coolio. The few relatives I have have a key if they need to get in at night. I dont plan on serving them bullets. I plan on assessing the situation and making sure I'm under any threat. Maybe thats too much to ask.
Farmer Jeff
God., if you think the guy who shot the men breaking into his house didn’t assess the situation you’re taking a pretty darn dim witted view. If as I’m bringing my firearm to aim I make the assessment that those in my house don’t belong there I’m not going to make any further assessments that could put me and my family in danger. That’s just stupid. I am going to use my firearm to instantly stop their activity.
🎺CommanderB...
God., no!! Only fire well aimed shots, once they are inside your house!!
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🎺CommanderB...
Farmer Jeff, good call.
God.
Farmer Jeff, then we clearly function under different philosophies.
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Hanover FisteAuthor
God., Your fallacies are always entertaining....
God.
Hanover Fiste, different philosophies, not different fallacies. Typo.
Farmer Jeff
God., fallacy: a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument I think that describes your position on this very well. Hanover nailed it . . .
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God.
Farmer Jeff, I'd rather not immediately shoot whatever moves on my territory, therefore I'm mistaken. Coolio.
Farmer Jeff
God., hesitation often leads to injury or death. So I’d say your argument about waiting to identify is unsound. At 1:00 am in the morning lethal force to stop a trespasser is justified in many states. Why should I risk my life? Here in Texas, non-lethal force is justified for stopping just about any crime. Lethal force becomes justified after sunset. Once again, the thinking that one should hesitate in the dark is unsound. The risk is too great. You want to keep putting this on the property owner. That’s absurd. If a crime is being committed at 1:00 in the morning the property owner is justified to use lethal force to stop the crime.
🎺CommanderB...
God., you are missing a fine point. If someone is simply walking across your yard you cannot shoot them. If someone is entering your house, you can.
Farmer Jeff
🎺CommanderB..., Texas law: Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. You need to be real careful in Texas if you’re trespassing on someone’s property at night. If a person is trampling your flowers that is criminal mischief, also known as destruction of property.
🎺CommanderB...
Farmer Jeff, here in Minnesota we only shoot folks when they break into our homes.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., you're both missing a fine point. I've said our philosophies are different. You may want to shoot whatever moves in your house past 1. I think thats rash. I CAN shoot this moving thing, >I< wont unless I understand its a threat. I feel like I'll lose less cats that way..
God.
🎺CommanderB..., I've never at any point said its illegal, just illogical and not part of my philosophy. A philosophy you cant understand because yours is quite the opposite
Farmer Jeff
God., I understand that an unknown person who bypasses my locked doors and enters my home uninvited at 1:00 in the morning is a threat. I also don’t want to shoot anybody, but I will. I’ll spend a couple milliseconds assessing if they are someone I know, but beyond that I’m not going to wait and see if they have a gun or weapon. If they’ve broken into my home, they are a threat. I live on a farm out in the country. We have cats and dogs. I rarely investigate noises at night because it is usually the cats. The dogs, however, make a wonderful threat alarm system. If all 3 are barking you can bet I’ll grab my AR-15 and investigate. This common occurance usually results in a dead raccoon, skunk, opossum, or coyote in the wee hours of the morning.
God.
Farmer Jeff, Coolio.
🎺CommanderB...
God., you may have a different philosophy, you cannot say I cannot understand it because mine is different. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. I do understand your point of view, in fact I spent 26 years in uniform defending your choice to have a different point of view.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., Cool.
Hyde
God., (in the current scenario) at what point is lethal force legitimate according to your philosophy? What other steps should be taken first?
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., This guy didn't shoot "whatever moves" and this is your fallacy that I'm talking about...
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., I want to know who was endorsing "shooting anything that moves" are you arguing with a straw man?
God.
Hyde, I'd rather die.
God.
Hyde, or escape.
Hyde
God., really? You're would rather die than protect yourself?
God.
Hyde, I'd rather die than take a life. But ideally id just get out of the house and call the police. I dont own a gun anymore. I refuse.
Farmer Jeff
“If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” - Luke 22:36
Farmer Jeff
“If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed” - Exodus 22:2–3
God.
Farmer Jeff, Farmer Jeff, "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19"
Hyde
God., I guess I have more to live for. I'm not running, and I'm not dying. They'll have a short window to follow my commands, before they are sent to follow God's commands.
God.
Hyde, why not run?
Farmer Jeff
God., why run?
Hyde
God., i worked my ass off for what I have. I'm not cowering in a corner letting some one walk away with it, knowing they'll just go to my neighbors and do it again, eventually ravaging the entire neighborhood like a plague.Their behaviors show that they have NO respect for their fellow humans. Why should i then show them any respect? The short answer: cowardice is not in some of Us.
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: Luke 11:21
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., Would you rather let your whole family die than 5 robbers? Keep in mind you're probably not the last family they will kill and rob. I cannot see any logic here.
Hanover FisteAuthor
Farmer Jeff, 🤣 God runs away from evil! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is so comical
God.
Hanover Fiste, ecks dee his name is god and he doesnt want to kill 🤣🤣🤣🤣
God.
Hanover Fiste, thats why you get out and call the police. Its likely the person will be caught, but say it isnt. Whats honestly more valuable, a life, a desperate life stealing to survive, or some stuff they stole.
God.
Hyde, or is it your ego that pulls the trigger. Your need to not be a coward
God.
Hanover Fiste, and who says I cant evacuate the rest of my family as well. Ideally them first.
Hyde
God., nope. My ego doesn't play a part in the equation. Try again, but try to focus on the rest of the statement, not just cherry pick 2 words. "God., i worked my ass off for what I have. I'm not cowering in a corner letting some one walk away with it, knowing they'll just go to my neighbors and do it again, eventually ravaging the entire neighborhood like a plague.Their behaviors show that they have NO respect for their fellow humans. Why should i then show them any respect? The short answer: cowardice is not in some of Us."
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God.
Hyde, alright lets go over this slowly. getting out of the house isnt necessarily cowardice. Its just a good idea, unless someones ego is getting in the way of that option
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., Hey, 5 guys with guns, please wait while I call police. They'll be here in 7 minutes. Will you please wait for them? Are you REALLY that stupid? When is the last time that worked?
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., For your families sake, I hope 5 thugs never Rob your home. With you're plan, they're all dead.
Farmer Jeff
Hanover Fiste, you do realize you’re getting lectured about your ego by a troll who calls himself God, don’t you? By the way, my intent if I ever shoot someone isn’t to kill them. My intent is to stop them and end whatever crime it is they are committing. If they happen to die that’s between the real God and them.
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God.
Farmer Jeff, There's the troll card. And good for you for not aiming to kill.
God.
Hanover Fiste, Yes. I havent suggested evacuating the house and then calling the police. I want you to stand right there and stare them in the eye while you call. You can even put THEM on the phone! Get everyone involved!
Hyde
God., it sounds as though you are saying that if I don't act in the same way you do, it is only because of an ego trip. Is that correct?? I laid out several reasons in that comment, while you have neglected the majority of them, instead choosing to only focus on 2 words, and claim ego as my only motivating factor. I could try going over it slowly, and break it down to simpler English also, but i believe you do comprehend it, but are choosing to ignore them because it counters your only argument.
God.
Hyde, thw point of them "ravaging the neighborhood" is moot if yer calling the police, them taking stuff you own harkens back to whether your stuff is really worth more than a human life, and disrespect is confused for desperation. Im ignoring your points because they're weak. The only rational conclusion I can come up with is that running away when you have a gun hurts your ego. Thats it
Farmer Jeff
God., you still think this is about stuff? You’ve obviously missed the point of this whole discussion.
Hyde
God., you're ignoring my points because they are weak is a copout. Address them just as i have addressed what i consider to be your weak and fruitless points. Or you can run from this discussion like you would a thief.
God.
Hyde, I.. just did.
Hyde
God., you appear to have chosen to pretend other's arguments don't exist simply because they successfully refute your own blindsided silliness. If this allows you to continue in your sheltered world, while denying the real world. Well then.... you do you buddy.
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Hanover FisteAuthor
God., 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I would love to see that happen: Criminal breaks into your house with a gun. 5 of them. You stand in front of them and call the police. They just watch. You hand them the phone, and they say, "oh yeah, I'm here robbing a house and killing a family. Oh, that's illegal? Ok I'll leave now. What? Oh ok, I will wait here for you to come and arrest me. Ok, see you soon. Bye." And they hand the phone back to you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
God.
Hyde, Irony at its finest.
God.
Hanover Fiste, group project
Hanover FisteAuthor
God., Spinal Tap
Farmer Jeff
The courts have ruled that the police have no duty to protect us. That means the duty to protect falls on each individual. This gentleman just illustrated how one can responsibly carry out that duty on one’s own. But the radical gun control crowd still thinks only the cops should have guns. Thank God for Texas!
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B Samson [WildFyre]
Just seems funny, 5 people? That's hard to keep quiet with 5 amateurs.
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