Hyde, Supporting murder is just so far beyond anything I can realisticallt comprehend. It was never mentioned that these men were even armed. I could just as well see a desperate mother trying to pull this, and she deserved to be shot too? I really cant see this being anything but a way to push anti-gun control narrative, because at face value this guy shot and killed 3 unarmed men so desperate that they're breaking into properties. I just dont get it.
God., I don't see this as "murder", nor do I see a "desperate mother" trying to pull this. *Those are rather silly dramatizations on your part, in a failed attempt to attach emotions to criminals* I believe a desperate mother would knock on the door and ask.
"One neighbor told the outlet that he saw two men with guns attempting to enter the property, and others pulled up so he went back inside his home."
So it was either kill or be killed. I choose to live. It's my choice.
Hanover Fiste, you're right. I should just fire at anything that moves on my property blindly. The postman? COULD BE ARMED. A relative showing up late at night? COULD BE ARMED. Ignorance sure is bliss!
God., the postman doesn’t deliver mail at 1:00 in the morning. And my friends and relatives know better to call before they just show up, especially if it’s going to be at 1:00 in the morning.
My doors get locked at night. If someone unexpected is in my house at 1:00 in the morning I can safely assume they don’t belong here. You can almost guarantee that I’ll be giving them a few bullets to stop the crime they are committing.
Farmer Jeff, coolio. The few relatives I have have a key if they need to get in at night. I dont plan on serving them bullets. I plan on assessing the situation and making sure I'm under any threat. Maybe thats too much to ask.
God., if you think the guy who shot the men breaking into his house didn’t assess the situation you’re taking a pretty darn dim witted view. If as I’m bringing my firearm to aim I make the assessment that those in my house don’t belong there I’m not going to make any further assessments that could put me and my family in danger. That’s just stupid. I am going to use my firearm to instantly stop their activity.
God., hesitation often leads to injury or death. So I’d say your argument about waiting to identify is unsound. At 1:00 am in the morning lethal force to stop a trespasser is justified in many states. Why should I risk my life?
Here in Texas, non-lethal force is justified for stopping just about any crime. Lethal force becomes justified after sunset. Once again, the thinking that one should hesitate in the dark is unsound. The risk is too great.
You want to keep putting this on the property owner. That’s absurd. If a crime is being committed at 1:00 in the morning the property owner is justified to use lethal force to stop the crime.
🎺CommanderB..., Texas law:
Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
You need to be real careful in Texas if you’re trespassing on someone’s property at night. If a person is trampling your flowers that is criminal mischief, also known as destruction of property.
🎺CommanderB..., you're both missing a fine point. I've said our philosophies are different. You may want to shoot whatever moves in your house past 1. I think thats rash. I CAN shoot this moving thing, >I< wont unless I understand its a threat. I feel like I'll lose less cats that way..
God., I understand that an unknown person who bypasses my locked doors and enters my home uninvited at 1:00 in the morning is a threat. I also don’t want to shoot anybody, but I will. I’ll spend a couple milliseconds assessing if they are someone I know, but beyond that I’m not going to wait and see if they have a gun or weapon. If they’ve broken into my home, they are a threat.
I live on a farm out in the country. We have cats and dogs. I rarely investigate noises at night because it is usually the cats. The dogs, however, make a wonderful threat alarm system. If all 3 are barking you can bet I’ll grab my AR-15 and investigate. This common occurance usually results in a dead raccoon, skunk, opossum, or coyote in the wee hours of the morning.
God., you may have a different philosophy, you cannot say I cannot understand it because mine is different. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. I do understand your point of view, in fact I spent 26 years in uniform defending your choice to have a different point of view.
God., i worked my ass off for what I have. I'm not cowering in a corner letting some one walk away with it, knowing they'll just go to my neighbors and do it again, eventually ravaging the entire neighborhood like a plague.Their behaviors show that they have NO respect for their fellow humans. Why should i then show them any respect?
The short answer: cowardice is not in some of Us.
Hanover Fiste, thats why you get out and call the police. Its likely the person will be caught, but say it isnt. Whats honestly more valuable, a life, a desperate life stealing to survive, or some stuff they stole.
God., nope. My ego doesn't play a part in the equation. Try again, but try to focus on the rest of the statement, not just cherry pick 2 words.
"God., i worked my ass off for what I have. I'm not cowering in a corner letting some one walk away with it, knowing they'll just go to my neighbors and do it again, eventually ravaging the entire neighborhood like a plague.Their behaviors show that they have NO respect for their fellow humans. Why should i then show them any respect?
The short answer: cowardice is not in some of Us."
Hanover Fiste, you do realize you’re getting lectured about your ego by a troll who calls himself God, don’t you?
By the way, my intent if I ever shoot someone isn’t to kill them. My intent is to stop them and end whatever crime it is they are committing. If they happen to die that’s between the real God and them.
Hanover Fiste, Yes. I havent suggested evacuating the house and then calling the police. I want you to stand right there and stare them in the eye while you call. You can even put THEM on the phone! Get everyone involved!
God., it sounds as though you are saying that if I don't act in the same way you do, it is only because of an ego trip. Is that correct??
I laid out several reasons in that comment, while you have neglected the majority of them, instead choosing to only focus on 2 words, and claim ego as my only motivating factor.
I could try going over it slowly, and break it down to simpler English also, but i believe you do comprehend it, but are choosing to ignore them because it counters your only argument.
Hyde, thw point of them "ravaging the neighborhood" is moot if yer calling the police, them taking stuff you own harkens back to whether your stuff is really worth more than a human life, and disrespect is confused for desperation. Im ignoring your points because they're weak. The only rational conclusion I can come up with is that running away when you have a gun hurts your ego. Thats it
God., you're ignoring my points because they are weak is a copout. Address them just as i have addressed what i consider to be your weak and fruitless points. Or you can run from this discussion like you would a thief.
God., you appear to have chosen to pretend other's arguments don't exist simply because they successfully refute your own blindsided silliness. If this allows you to continue in your sheltered world, while denying the real world. Well then.... you do you buddy.
I would love to see that happen:
Criminal breaks into your house with a gun. 5 of them. You stand in front of them and call the police. They just watch. You hand them the phone, and they say, "oh yeah, I'm here robbing a house and killing a family. Oh, that's illegal? Ok I'll leave now. What? Oh ok, I will wait here for you to come and arrest me. Ok, see you soon. Bye." And they hand the phone back to you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The courts have ruled that the police have no duty to protect us. That means the duty to protect falls on each individual. This gentleman just illustrated how one can responsibly carry out that duty on one’s own. But the radical gun control crowd still thinks only the cops should have guns. Thank God for Texas!