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Do you need a gun?
37%Yes, I need
63%No, it's dangerous
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Slowdowngandhi
Interesting.
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Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
If say the grid breaks down after an emp hits the us. Then yes I would need a gun. If someone is breaking in my house trying to kill me. Then yes I need a gun. If a baby kitten is rubbing against me? *Eh yes the kitten could kill me* No. If I'm just chilling do I need a gun? No. If nothing bad happens to me do I need a gun? No. It all depends on what happens. So place in the us you need a gun to protect your self from the wild life. People who live in far Alaska need a gun for food and protection. So again it depends on what's happening. Do I think guns should be used other than protection and hunting? No. But sadly that won't happen. People will use guns to have mass killing. They are an very Dangerous thing. Cars today are getting safer than guns. Anyone can basicly get a gun in the US and that's bad. Yes it's the second Amendment. But did our founding fathers even know what mental Illness is? No probally not. What do I think should happen? We need better gun laws. Like ones that protect the people. Japan has a good system. There are like no mass shootings there. So the USA needs to do better.
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B Samson [WildFyre]
Japan also has a homegenous population. They do have violent crime. Didn't they have some subway attacks not too long ago?
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Joshy1988
Pro Creator
B Samson [WildFyre], uuhm, March the 20th 1995
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Windy
B Samson [WildFyre], yeah, very recent.
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Andy
B Samson [WildFyre], an emp hitting the us is a bit dramatic but I get your point
Alex
Switzerland is 3rd! When it comes to guns per 100p
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Joshy1988
Pro Creator
But it does not appear in the gun homicide rate
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bennile 💯📚
It's because the Swiss have to keep their gun after military service (as far as I know).
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Lucky
bennile 💯📚, it means every swiss have not a gun.. only ex military man.. does it?
bennile 💯📚
Lucky, Which means all men who are fit enough for the military have a gun.
Faisal
Informative
FunkyF
Gun is not dangerous, human is.
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Pluto 🚲
Then dont give him guns.
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FunkyF
Pluto 🚲, Not all humans are bad.
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Pluto 🚲
FunkyF, Its hard to tell which are.
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Hanover Fiste
Pluto 🚲, noyfb
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5̀øÑ͜ ̕0f Æ̨ ğłīťç̴H
Pluto 🚲, FunkyF, a proper checkup would be a start.. It's not that hard.
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Lucky
having gun is also dangerous..
Hyde
Lucky, not in my house. I've owned them and been around them all my life.
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Lucky
Hyde, so why actually u need it.?
Hyde
Lucky, I wanted It and bought it. Need is not a part of the equation.
🎺CommanderB...
Lucky, not having a gun is even more dangerous. You may never need it. You might need it one time.
Lucky
Hyde, hehe lovely reply.. need is an important factor otherwise it is only money wastage and threat to other.. nothing else
Hyde
Lucky, you are free to your theories. My weapons are not a threat to anyone or anything. They are well trained. Need...implies I need to justify owning it to you or society. I don't feel the need to justify it to you or anyone else, except my wife. One man's money wasted is another man's investment.
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Lucky
Hyde, its ok buddy.. if u feel no need to justify then there is no room for trailing.. thnx
Lucky
🎺CommanderB..., u may right if it is good for self defence.. but it also means there is bit risk of going something wrong..
Lucky
5̀øÑ͜ ̕0f Æ̨ ğłīťç̴H, lovely buddy.. it is really the important a fair checkup..
🎺CommanderB...
Lucky, does one justify any of the other rights we have?
Hanover Fiste
Lucky, let's ban all things that are not needed. Flavored drinks, colored paint on houses, paintings, sculptures, all sports, etc....
BetterTogetherLife
So....does the card owner live in the US? Just curious.
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Pluto 🚲
Would it change anything?
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Joey
Pluto 🚲, yes.
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Hanover Fiste
Pluto 🚲, no, only the Russians are evil when they try to influence our politics.
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Shawn
Hanover Fiste, hahaha, yeah, fuck'em all, ama right ? No for real, you're just influenced by the post-cold-war USA's opinion about Russia. Times have changed. Time to change morality too.
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Helzer
Joey, no it wouldn't.
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Helzer
You can see where they are from by looking at where they posted the card. If that's to difficult, tap the blue graph off to the right of the location, and it will bring up a nice tidey map for you. (I hope breaking up my lines was easy for you to comprehend this time when replying to you)
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Joey
Helzer, it does make a difference if the person is in the US. When people in the US criticize other countries, it is usually with regard to how it impacts us. That is, it is done with an eye towards the effect of the debate on our internal policies or with regard to national security. Americans don't care if Germany let's in a million immigrants, Germany has every right to its own policies. Rather, we care that it is bad so some idiots don't try and do that here. The European interest in the gun policy debate is strange when examined that way. The Europeans without gun rights are not about to get them back so it doesn't impact their policies. Likewise, US civilian gun owners don't post any threat to the sovereignty of other nations. I can only guess as to the motivation, but I think a good portion is either the need to feel superior when their influence on the world has waned to such a degree or that they are primed for welcoming government control and can't accept a rejection of that elsewhere. Some people can have totally different motivations, but those are my guesses. It really boils down to insecurity, in my opinion, and the need to see people in similarly developed nations under the same strong yoke of government. I mean, right now the EU is trying to further dominate its member states and the good sheep are "baaing" its praises. God forbid a country, like UK, back out. That sort of individualistic thinking could bring the whole thing crashing down so it needs to be attacked everywhere.
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Helzer
Joey, you love to diverge to fit your agenda. This card is comparing other countries gun ownership, shootings, gun homicide.
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Rolo Tomasi
Joey, the whole world looks at the US and the gun control issue because we cannot believe what happens there. It’s spectacular. And also people die so we also care for that because of humanity.
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Hanover Fiste
Helzer, what does it say on the first fold, the title? That will tell you what this card is about. Please don't pretend you know the authors intention more than the author.
Joey
Rolo Tomasi, got it. Citizens of the world unite.
Joey
Helzer, yes, comparing the US for the purpose of criticizing the US. Not to discuss changing policies in any other country. Not to discuss national security. You are proving my point. There's no reason to for non-americans to discuss this as they rarely have an interest in US internal policy.
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Helzer
Hanover Fiste, ya comparing it to the US. What's your point? Oh ya you know all, anyone outside the US can't have an opinion about the US. But you can have opinions of other countries all you want. I know how you work.
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Helzer
Joey, boo hoo Joey. They are entitled to post what they please. They have the opinion and attitude because of the example we as the US shows. It's no secret how many Americans get a hard on over guns and owning them. I'm not proving your point in any way.
Hanover Fiste
Helzer, I don't know all, but I know what I can read on the first fold. I'm calling you out for knowing it all, but your excuse is to throw it back at me for calling you out? 😂
Rolo Tomasi
Joey, US internal policies are actually quite scrutinized by the rest of the world. Its international actions are more commented, of course, because they impact all of us but the whole world looks a lot at what happens inside the US, for many reasons, almost none of which is the consequences for our own countries.
Joey
Rolo Tomasi, personally, I find that annoying. When you say it like that it sounds tabloid-y. Looking at what the US does is one thing. Voicing strong opinions over the internal policies of another country is quite different.
Joey
Helzer, they are entitled to post what they please - just as I may comment with my opinion on it. I'm not trying to block every dissenting opinion. Though, I am curious why this matters so much to you. Why do you care so much about something that has so little impact on you?
Rolo Tomasi
Joey, there is definitely a tabloid reason behind it. Keep in mind, it isn’t the only one: the US are a very special place and has a true significance -whether positive or negative or both, whether as a concrete or a mythological entity or both- for many many people in the world. But yes, there is a tabloid reason at work. But you guys are a fascinating nation to watch, I’ll tell you that.
Joey
Rolo Tomasi, thanks. I appreciate your honesty. I agree that the US is special in some ways, though we can make that general statement about any other country. I think the US has always had a stronger emphasis on individualism and a willingness to tell other countries to bug off. I also think, we see that with the gun rights of the US.
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Helzer
Hanover Fiste, the first fold? Ya they are comparing the US guns and homicides to other countries. Anyone anyone can know what happens in the US and guns and massacres using guns and how many people own guns. It's not a secret, it's not just confined to US citizens. The US has tremendous influence all over the world. And your saying someone can make comparisons? How did you call me out? For what saying someone in another country can make a comparison between countries? Ya I stated they compared the US to other countries. And your throwing a fit because they arent a US citizen, and they don't have to be. No shit they can come and vote and change anything. But they sure as hell can make a comparison and have an opinion as our government may influence any other government.
Helzer
Joey, i can ask you the same thing. And I care because I'm always seeing you and Fisty complaining about people from other countries posting comparisons or graphs or anything and you claim it's false or they should keep their mouth shut because they aren't a US citizen or live here. And that doesn't matter. At all.
Joey
Helzer, I didn't tell anyone to keep their mouth shut here. I don't recall doing it elsewhere, but I'm not digging through comments to find out. So you care because other people care and I question that? That doesn't sound right? Why are you obsessed with something happening in another country, the US in particular. Why not complain about Russia all day?
Helzer
Joey, why do you care when other people question or have a problem? Does really offend you that bad you aren't apart of a perfect place? That someone seeing something on the outside who makes a card or opinion is less important than someone who is apart of that country? Whats your problem there?
Joey
Helzer, lol. People in other parts of the world disparaging my home and values shouldn't bother me? It's fine to hear some criticism occasionally, but it dominates political discussion here. That is what I find annoying and troublesome. I did you the courtesy of honestly answering your question, will you answer mine?
Helzer
Joey, i dont need to complain about Russia. Guess what, look who is President and what he did to become President. And you say your values, you value Trump and your Guns and disparaging your home? So you still get offended when someone had a problem when your home is doing something wrong? How about help trying to enact change and not help support massarces. And also your okay with others saying things about others homes yet when it happens to you it's not okay? Right..
Joey
Helzer, lol, what? I didn't order a word salad. Take it back waiter. I ordered a "would you answer my question, please. Hold the virtue signaling and false empathy."
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Helzer
Joey, oh you are so clever. 👏
Joey
Helzer, it was getting repetitive. You won't answer why you are obsessed and I think I already know. So why bother. You aren't being serious. You just want to virtue signal.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Helzer, being a safe gun owner is supporting massacres? That's a bit of a leap.
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Helzer
Joey, ya you think you know a lot. I've seen your judgementa time and time again. Not impressed or phased.
Helzer
Jack (writer) 🎺, a safe gun owner. 🙄 Okay. Make sure the safe gun stays safe in the safe.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Helzer, just because you can't fathom it, doesn't mean there aren't millions of responsible gun owners in this country, who respect rules and regulations and use gun safes, trigger locks, and exercise good trigger discipline.
Joey
Helzer, enjoy deflection.
Helzer
Joey, that's your style. So I'm not concerned at all. It's what you do best.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, Helzer, you two act like an old married couple.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, Helzer, why don't you guys just chill? It's not like you're solving the gun control debate anytime soon.
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Hanover Fiste
Jack (writer) 🎺, 😂
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, I think we made some progress with the gun debate. Helzer has passionately lost his mind over an issue that has no impact on his life or country in a way in a way that can only be attributed to emotion. I think it really shows that (at least some in) the anti gun right crowd is driven by fear and hate of guns. There's no reason to go apoplectic. I'm just curious as to how someone can be so invested in something that has so little impact on their life. I think I have my answer.
Nina One
Joey, you seem to be stuck on the idea that no one can care about something if it doesn’t affect them personally. That’s a very primitive view of humanity. We’ve been able to plan for the greater good for centuries. We’ve been able to empathize with the suffering of strangers, probably for even longer. I know this is incomprehensible to you. There are always throwbacks, I guess. You and Ayn Rand.
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Joey
Nina One, these desperate attempts to lump me in with people you don't like are weak. I'm not an Ayn Rand fan. I don't believe people like you because it is all flash and no substance. All lives are equal yet you are preoccupied with a small group in a country that is pretty damn successful. Your solutions have nothing to do with the core of the problem and instead are focused on conformity. Conformity is what I see over and over again. I'm trying to understand why the US needs to be the same as the EU and Canada but Russia can have less than half the population and more total murders. There's nary a peep about changing Russia or other countries. I don't have a good answer why but it appears that your concern is skin deep. So I call that out. If you had recalled my comments on other cards, such as Steph's card about solutions other than gun restrictions, you'd see that I have concerns that go to the core of the problem rather than simply conforming the US to be a clone of scandinavia. I've never said I don't care, but have competing interests. Yesterday, I decided that I was going to speak to you on your terms and lay out my feelings and concerns in a way that you could connect with. I was working how to phrase things in such a way openly, which was a bit counterintuitive. Today I saw that you banned me on your cards. That's your privilege since the devs gave that to you, though, it has made me realize that you aren't worth the effort. Enjoy your echo chamber where nothing ever changes.
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Saя¿asmatron
Joey, * I think it really shows that (at least some in) the anti gun right crowd is driven by fear .... * yeah.. and everyone I talked from the gun boner crowd explained to me that someone or something is out to get them. They seem to feel unsafe and in fear for their and their family's safety. That and preparation for some kind of war with the government that apparently is also about to get them! Oh and then there's me! apparently, by some, I am about to come and get their precious guns or I should at least try! Yeah... gun boner crowd are not driven by fear at all...
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Joey
Saя¿asmatron, am I in the gun boner crowd? I don't own a gun and have no intention of buying one. Maybe you got the wrong guy.
Saя¿asmatron
Joey, ok, I guess you are a bit limpy for guns then...
Joey
Saя¿asmatron, limpy? Lol.
Jack (writer) 🎺
All these folks so wrapped up in gun control worried about America. I mean 33 people died in actual genocide in the Congo last week, a good portion of them children, and Angola is forcing refugees to return to their country. I guess no one cares about that because they aren't white American kids. I bet most folks here didn't even know that fact until they read it just now.
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Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, that is why this faux rage is bullshit virtue signaling and not genuine. It's more about forcing the US to conform to what other nations are doing.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, Well I mean, I have genuine concerns about gun control. I think there should be better regulations on the sale and perhaps we should consider an age limit on sales but I'm a veteran, a parent and an American. I'm worried about my Nation and I'm tired of seeing kids die. I don't blame the guns or think that that is the only solution because I'm not an idiot. I think this nation has serious issues with mental health stigmas and I think we need some serious reform in that process. I mean if we outlaw guns, that'll totally solve our gun problems. Thank god, right? I mean it worked so well with drugs. Sucks too, because I could really go for some weed right now. Ah well.
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Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, pretty much. Going to the root of the problem isn't considered a real solution. It's all reactive, which won't get us anywhere.
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Helzer
Joey, it really doesn't matter if you can understand why someone from another country can have a say. You can't control. Nor tell people they can't say what they please about America. Hate to break it to you but the card poster has every means to compare guns in America to the rest of the world. There is nothing you can do about it. Lol and I don't care if they say what they want. You do. It's why you said it would matter if a card poster from another country said something. Which it doesn't matter. And that's what started this whole thing. Because I said you can't tell someone from another country they can't have an opinion. Hate to burst your little bubble but they can. And they did. You realize I'm from the US right? 😂😂🤣
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Joey
Helzer, lol, I thought you were foreign because of your typos. I thought it was a second language thing. My bad. You understand I that I never told anyone they couldn't post what they want and I never did anything to stop them from posting. I asked a question and then you started losing your mind. Probably because I assumed you were foreign.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of them have never really had firearms in their country beyond security forces so they all think it's just as simple as "just take them away." But that's a generalization and speculation so whatever.
Helzer
Joey, 🤣🤣 that's good. Your good dude, real smooth. And yes you have said multiple times you don't like other people from outside the US to comment on the US or anything about it because it doesn't affect them. But actually the US has tremendous influence all over the world. Nice try.
Helzer
Joey, please. I need educating on grammar. Show me my typos. Or are you getting me confused with your buddy Fisty and how he can't spell Hypocrisy? Lol
Joey
Helzer, I have said I'm tired of hearing people outside the US comment endlessly on the US but I haven't gone as far as you have here. I guess you feel justified. I must have hit a nerve.
Helzer
Joey, have you seen a keyboard or used a keyboard before? You know a and s are next to each other right? Lol sometimes people hitting a letter next to the one intended happens.
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, i think it's cultural. The US has busted it's ass backing up countries in armed conflicts. Since WWII Europe has unloaded the responsibility of self defense on the US and we've paid for it with NATO. Maybe they just abandoned that mentality while we have assumed the role of defender of the world. I'm fine with letting those guys fend for themselves. They can deal with Russia and we can save some money. Just a thought.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Helzer, Jesus, Helzer dial it down already. There's no point in getting this worked up.
Hyde
Joey, I would live to see foreign aid cut off. Maybe an exception of 2.
Joey
Hyde, right? It seems like such a money pit. Why help people who can't stand the US?
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, he's been triggered for a day now. Maybe this is his default.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, I mean you too go at it but I've noticed when Helzer gets worked up it's like the double emoji, followed by a rage block of being condescending, then maybe some more emojis for good measure. If someone was laughing while they argued in real life, I'd say they had a sick desperation to their laugh. I've seen Helzer be chill though. I don't mind chill Helzer. He should be chill more often.
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, ok. I only recall seeing helzer a few times. Those times he's been enraged. I go at it but this doesn't make my blood pressure spike.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, He does make a lot of angry rage cards, but that's not his only shtick. Maybe he's just angry. Helzer man, you ever had those Japanese "Hello Panda" cookies with chocolate in the middle? Those things are bomb. They cheer me up when I'm down.
Helzer
Jack (writer) 🎺,😂 right. You guys must really misinterpret texts and messages. God I wouldn't even begin to know how horrible your convos over text with women are. If you see this as getting worked up. Lol I haven't even gotten started. Trust me. I'm chill as milk right now. I'm not even close to toast.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Helzer, Ya. I have such trouble with women. I just can't figure them out. Neither can my wife and kids. You still didn't answer the important question. You ever had those Hello Panda cookies?
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Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, what are these hello panda cookies? They seem way more interesting than helzer telling us how calm he is.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, Dude they're insane. They're like small cookies with panda prints on them and then this creamy chocolate or white chocolate or strawberry chocolate center. Dude and you can freeze them and they're just amazing. Them and pocky. That's like, cookie sticks dipped in chocolate. Out fucking standing. The Japanese are BEAST at candy.
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Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, I looked them up. I also stick my chocolate in the fridge. These sound outstanding. I'm getting some this weekend. Thanks for the recommendation!
Helzer
Jack (writer) 🎺, nope I haven't even heard of them.
Hyde
Jack (writer) 🎺, 😍imma have try those panda cookies. How many pandas died in the making of the cookies?? *I'm on an environemalist kick*😂
Jack (writer) 🎺
Hyde, Not enough. Everyone knows suffering makes food taste better.
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Hanover Fiste
Helzer, funny how you have an excuse for spellink worng, but u dont give others the same break? You're so smooth. Did you ever type wrong in a phone, and autocorrect saves it that way, then changes it on you every time after? Kinda like a being next to s? Wow you're so smooth, Santana wrote a song about you!
Rolo Tomasi
Jack (writer) 🎺, what’s infuriating about those mass shootings in the US is the fact they take place in a high income country. You’re a smart guy, I don’t believe for a second you dont get the difference: it makes these actions more shocking because development is supposed to decrease physical violence within society (and it does, most of the time and in the long run). To me the problem isn’t so much about mass shootings, it is about the amount of violence the US (once again: a developed country, not fucking Congo) still see everyday. The number of kills. What the hell, stop that already!
Jack (writer) 🎺
Rolo Tomasi, It's a high income country, believe me I live in a pretty ritzy area but folks don't seem to understand how vast the U.S. is or that we've got a lot folks living in dirt poor poverty. We see a lot of hypocrisy in these call to actions though because there's places like Detroit or Chicago (which folks tend to refer to as Ch-Iraq these days) where people die, in large numbers every weekend but, again, it's primarily black folks so no one seems to care about that. Again though, we're a giant country so yea we have a lot of violence. We have a lot of peace too. I think you just might only be exposed to the sensationalism that the news media loves to share.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Rolo Tomasi, Also I feel like telling you man, I love discussing stuff with you because you're always pretty decent about your points. Good to see you again too.
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Rolo Tomasi
Jack (writer) 🎺, thanks 🙂 Good to see you too. I know how big and diverse the US is. I go there every time I can! Over the years, I’ve been to California, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, New York and Vermont. I’ll be back to NYC (third time there!) in a couple of days :) I’m not going to teach a former soldier about that but what I love about travelling is meeting people and confronting my own preconceived ideas with what I can find on the spot. For instance, one of my favorite travels in the US was in Texas. In Europe as well as in the US, Texas means “caricature of the redneck conservative American”. The funny thing is that of course the caricature is true, but it is also way more complex. I’ve had great discussions with many walking clichés in Texas, but more often than not I’ve been surprised by what/who I found. For example, there is this guy in Terlingua Ghost Town. He sells knives and rocks in the middle of the desert (right outside Big Bend national Park). His shop has many pro guns and pro self defense stickers all over the outside walls (“nothing I have is worth your life”). So we were like “oh ok, here is another regular Texas conservative”. Turns out the guy is a Canadian, he’s as progressive as you can be *in Canada*, he’s a former teacher in a Native American reserve and has posters mocking the tea party and Sarah Palin everywhere in his shop. I liked that encounter a lot, the guy was very friendly and he was a mix of several seemingly mutually exclusive caricatures... just like most actual human beings. Anyway, I talk about Terlingua because this is a very interesting place where I’ve had some epiphany about the US. It’s a small town, former ghost town, now inhabited by 200 hippies and artists, almost only far left wing, some of whom live without running water or electricity. We’ve spent unfortunately only an evening there, talking to and photographing these people, that are pretty much opposed to whatever preconceived idea I could have had about Texas. And then it hit me: I got how huge the US are. I mean, everybody know it’s a big country, you can see it on a map, you can see it by the window of the car every time you go from a place to another there, and you hear/read it every day. But this day I *felt* how big of a country it is. I was in that small town surrounded by 100 if not 200 miles of desert, while being at a walking distance of the Mexican border. I felt insulated even from Texas (with these people living their own misfits life) and at that point the distance between me and Washington DC was greater than the distance between any place in France and fucking Moscow. So yeah, I can say I experienced how huge and diverse the US are because I really felt it in my body, once. I don’t live in your country (but I certainly intend to at some point) but I really know some parts of it, and I don’t get my facts about it only from the media (and especially not from the European media since those can only “translate” the news to the European culture, which is quite different). Yet, I sincerely think violence is a much bigger problem there than it is in the rest of the developed world -even though not as much as many media (I’m looking at you, Fox News) would love to make us think.
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Rolo Tomasi
Jack (writer) 🎺, sorry everyone for the overly long comment I feel like I’m derailing the card. Jack, your point about peace in the US made me think about another story but I won’t derail the discussion anymore. The story is on the following card: https://sola.ai/posts/MTJiMTN/?r=rolo_tomasi (pic on fold 2, quote of the guy in the pic on fold 3. On the first fold, there is the pic from the Canadian in his shop).
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Rolo Tomasi, Naw man that was great. I think you get a pass man because it sounds like you actually understand us and don't just see us as "hurrrr hurrrr 'muricans."
Jack (writer) 🎺
Rolo Tomasi, that was probably the best explanation of how diverse we are as a nation, that I've ever read.
Zumb
That card is quite funny. A lot of people didn't even try to read at the numbers and try to get something from them. They just believe someone evils want to steal their loved guns from them, and stupid Europeans try to help them. Look at them better. Like compare USA to Finland or Switzerland gun ownership, related to mass shootings. It's not strictly correlated. One can say there is a lot a mass shootings in USA and a lot of guns. But it is not true for other countries. So something else has to be there. The other point is gun regulations. A lot of people on both sides believe gun ownership is high in countries where it's easy to get guns. Mainly because they focus on certain types of guns like ar15. The truth is, it isn't correlated. In France, you cannot own an ar15, but it's quite easy to get any kind of handgun, like a Glock, for example. But gun ownership is low. So there is likely something else.
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Rolo Tomasi
Zumb, check out the first fold: “US gun culture”. A huge part of the issue stand in these words and I believe the key one is “culture”.
Zumb
Rolo Tomasi, that's a bit harsh and not completely true, IMO. Guns are a tool, and that's where I agree with the pro gun camp. The excess of individualism of some people, and the acceptance of violence as a solution, or even the justification of it is the issue, IMO.
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Nina One
Zumb, the easy accessibility of guns and the acceptance of violence as a solution are closely intertwined. I don’t think you can separate them.
B Samson [WildFyre]
Rolo Tomasi, the US policies affect the rest pf the world? Just recently we had someone make the argument the US economy doesn't affect the rest of the world and Trump's smashing fiscal success was somehow part of a worldwide cycle. Guns are like abortions. If you don't want one, don't have one and keep your rosary beads out of my holster. Which btw is a level 3 retention holster so even if I was knocked out the weapons staying at my side.
Rolo Tomasi
B Samson [WildFyre], US economy had a huge impact on the rest of the world. But yeah, I don’t think gun rights in the US have any direct consequence for my country. I was answering a more general question.
never
Helzer, but it will in no real way be an informed opinion. Believe it or don't.
Lucky
Jack (writer) 🎺, lovely observation... 👍
Lucky
Hanover Fiste, haha.. it means there's some flaws in ur politics system
Kekmoldycheese
Yes I need a gun. Do you want to tell me I don't?
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Hanover Fiste
Why does someone in Latvia want to worry about how Americans live? Are you trying to influence our politics like the Russians?
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Rolo Tomasi
He’s trying to steal your uranium and emails, don’t comment you fool!
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Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, it's not stealing if you can bribe someone into approving it...
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Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, that’s the first time I see a conservative so casually admitting Crooked Hillary is “someone”. Isn’t “it” both a crab people and Barack HUSSEIN Obama in disguise?
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Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, who are you calling a conservative?
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, who are you calling a Rolo Tomasi? Ok, let’s both stop trolling.
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Helzer
Oh, you better not be concerned with any other country or how they live, i better not see you making and comments or cards that concerns anyone else other than Americans and America. This includes news, pictures, history, science, economics, environment, food, culture. Anything at all outside the US you better not make a single comment or card.
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Hanover Fiste
Helzer, just making the point that the Russian boogieman can't try to influence politics but everyone else can. Oh the hipocricy!
Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, I wasn't trolling to begin with. But maybe you should stop...
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, your opening sarcastic and off topic comment fits every definition of trolling. Which is fine with me but don’t lie afterward :)
Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, so what part of what I said was off topic? I think you're just pissy because you have no real argument against what I said, so you're going after me personally instead. Classic reaction, but it's not effective once it's pointed out. Try another angle.
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, the part about the Russians. And I’m not pissy at all I was having fun with the discussion, but I have to say it’s becoming boring now with the “you’re trolling”, “I’m not trolling, you’re pissy”, “I’m not pissy” Thread. Also I’m not going after you personally... I think you misread my comments
Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, so, pointing out hipocricy on the topic is off topic and trolling? Interesting....
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, Russia isn’t mentioned anywhere on the card. Am I missing something? Are you discussing the Russia thing somewhere else or buried in the comments here with Healthy Human? I’m now 100% serious and trying to get your logic here.
Hanover Fiste
Rolo Tomasi, yes you're missing something. You are allowed to use words not previously mentioned and still be on topic. Pointing out hipocricy requires it. Do you have a real argument or just ad hominem?
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, I haven’t attacked you, I don’t understand both your problem with me and your point from the beginning. Please just let me understand why you think the Russia investigation is linked with the card here. Has Healthy Human stated somewhere else his opinion on the Russia investigation? If he has, then i disagree with you but I understand what you’re saying. If he hasn’t, I’m still lost.
Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, last option: he hasn’t, and you were pinpointing the hypocrisy of what you think “all the liberals” think, and if so, you’re both off topic and trolling. That was how I read it at first.
Obtiks
We do care when kids die, in Usa or Syria.
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Hyde
Obtiks, yes
Nina One
Obtiks, thank you. I can’t be the only one that is disturbed by all these deaths.
Hanover Fiste
Obtiks, the real sad thing is I never saw this kind of (fake) sadness when Boko Haram killed 100 kids. Still happening. Any desire to help in Nigeria? It's still happening! Where's the sadness? Where's the outrage? I see through your political agenda. Give it up already you're not fooling anyone.
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Hanover Fiste
Nina One, and same to you
Nina One
Hanover Fiste, the terribly sad thing is that you, Joey, etc. can’t believe that anyone cares about people beyond their own circle. You have to believe that there’s some nefarious agenda beyond saving lives. It gives the very clear message that you think human lives are disposable. I was beside myself about the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. There was nothing I could do. In this case, there is some hope of real change to prevent future deaths.
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🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, and what about all the aborted babies? They don't count?
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Joey
🎺CommanderB..., Shhhh. You're going to make her head hurt.
🎺CommanderB...
Joey, she already exploded. After one comment she shot me down....
Joey
🎺CommanderB..., 😂 A big win for living in a bubble.
🎺CommanderB...
Joey, where everyone is happy and rose colored glasses.... And sparkles everywhere!
Joey
🎺CommanderB..., Unicorns and harmony but no genders!
🎺CommanderB...
Joey, too bad for them.
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Hanover Fiste
Nina One, yep there's nothing that can be done about Boko Haram. They're unstoppable.... There was a card about it last week from a Nigerian. I didn't see you there....I guess you have no ideas (or sympathy) for them.
Nina One
Uhuh. ... And you just can’t think of any other reason why there are no comments from me on that card. 🙄 Wow.
🎺CommanderB...
Hanover Fiste, it's all or none with Nina One.
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Obtiks
Hanover Fiste, Untrue, I don’t care about guns. I am very happy people in switzerland get to have their guns. Guns are a marvel of engineering, and as a scientist, they fascinate me. I care when kids die. I care when adults die, I did not hear about Boko Haram recently, but I am doing something for the war torn countries. I am surprised by your comment, I thought you were a more open minded person.
Hanover Fiste
Obtiks, there have been a few cards on Boko Haram, one last week from an actual Nigerian. I posted one about a month ago. The reason for my assumption is because cards about kids dying in USA get so much attention, but I've never seen the same people comment when 100+ Nigerian girls are killed. Gets like 12 comments. Someone is swiping them down, and it's really sad....then all the bleeding hearts come out when they think America needs to be fixed.
DELETED USER
Hanover Fiste, wonder if there was so much as a peep from the "I oppose child death"-crowd here on Sola. Apparently they don't care about black children getting murdered. They must be right-wing racists. 😉
Hanover Fiste
StareN2theAbyss, apparently so. Have you seen the memes that come out now and then about how tragedy is defined in each country? Now we know how true it is. At least Syria gets a few comments, but nothing like this. Hundreds of thousands die in Yemen and Syria,and it gets little fanfare. 17 American kids die, and weeks later there's 1000 comment cards still growing. "Oh but it's something I can change" I've seen (above) but can you? Can you really change this? Ask McVeigh if he needed a gun to kill 69 people, some of them toddlers. I say bull shit. The same people don't want to bother addressing mental health in America or death around the world. The same mental health caused by the lack of order, the lack of discipline, the lack of noticing someone is "different" Oh and let's NOT address all the failures from the school, FBI, and police. Let's definitely not discuss that. There's only one thing to do...
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DELETED USER
Hanover Fiste, I'd wager they don't want to talk about it is because it would involve a discussion about self-ownership, personal responsibility, self-reliance and other virtues that they pass off as mere talking points, even if these virtues are nearly self-evident truths, and their importance, near unanimously accepted. I guess its better to grudgingly hold on to false ideals, as long as this prevents you from accepting ideas from your intellectual opposition.
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Rolo Tomasi
StareN2theAbyss, Hanover Fiste, I cannot speak about everybody else but I rarely comment on cards about civil wars in Africa other than by asking questions because facts are very muddy there and they’re quite difficult to get right. More generally, civil wars (either official one or under cover ones like in Ukraine) are a real mess, even more than most regular wars. So I don’t argue on this topic: I don’t think I’m relevant. Maybe you’ll tell me I’m not relevant about gun control either, the point is i think I am so I don’t shut up. Moreover, like I just wrote to Jack, you guys can pinpoint liberal hypocrisy about caring more about 17 white kids than 100 black ones all you want -and there is some truth to that but don’t worry hypocrisy is one of the most fairly shared ressources in the political spectrum- the fact is violence in a developed society is more shocking than in a less developed and less stable one, because development is supposed to eradicate physical violence. So a mass shooting in the US is by essence more infuriating.
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Nina One
Rolo Tomasi, yes, exactly. The US has the tools to reduce these mass killings, and doesn’t use them. That’s what attracts so much negative attention to the issue. Whenever those on the left focus on one issue, they are told that if they don’t focus on ALL issues, they are being hypocritical. The world is a big, unjust and violent place; without focus we just dissipate our efforts.
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Hyde
Rolo Tomasi, you can't eradicate physical violence. The threat of it is what all governing bodies use.
Rolo Tomasi
Hyde, no society so far has eradicated it but modern western societies are getting really close. We don’t notice it because it’s happening slowly but it’s still pretty impressive.
Hyde
Rolo Tomasi, do you make a distinction between the threat of violence and actual violence?? It seems to me the only difference is the acquiescence of those being threatened.
Rolo Tomasi
Hyde, it’s a good point but I don’t think it fully explains the gap between the US and France. The number of people killed by the police is a good indicator of that gap.
Obtiks
Hanover Fiste, I havent seen your cards, I covered Syria sometime ago, with regular updates, back when it was plag, and I did get the same response you got, few comments. USA is most tested and spoken about, because you are the most advanced country that everybody wanted to become. (some still do) that is why we speak about the US, even Uk is not spoken about so much.
Hanover Fiste
Obtiks, you're right about most of that. I apologise if I was wrong about you truly caring about people no matter where they live. But pay attention as if you're American, and you'll notice something. I like how you said "wanted" instead of want. What I want you to look out for is evidence that America haters are envious. There's plenty of America haters on a world forum like this one. Many cards claiming to "care" about America are simply bashing us. They can't understand how we got such a huge economy, and huge amount of power,with a relatively small population. Also,even as we see great decline,we're still untouchable currently. I'm not going to say we're perfect, we are far from it. But what does that say about the rest of the world? Did we steal prosperity? Did we gain it unfairly? Many will say yes. If you want to spot who they are it's pretty simple. They will post cards comparing us to other countries,never acknowledge anything good we ever did, blame us for the world's problems,etc. That said, our government can surely carry some blame. Surely. But are we the cause of the worlds problems? Was Africa fine until we came and stole everything from them, and now they're starving? No. That's how you can spot the haters. They will never admit America did anything good. Sorry if I put you in that basket if you didn't deserve it.
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Obtiks
Hanover Fiste, Apology accepted, and i get where you are coming from. I Understand. And yes I have seen the post bashing USA, some of them are unfair.
DELETED USER
Rolo Tomasi, I wasn't being serious, for the record. Lol
DELETED USER
Well, at least my first comment wasn't.
Rolo Tomasi
StareN2theAbyss, 😂
B Samson [WildFyre]
It's not like any of the data on this card is cherry picked.
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So tired of seeing people complain about guns..
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Saя¿asmatron
So not tired of gun nut snowflake americans reacting to gun criticism, especially if it is a foreigner expressing it, as if noone outside of US can have a critical opinion about what is happening in US 🙂 more please!
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Saя¿asmatron, why are people outside of America worried about America for anyway?
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Pluto 🚲
, Why am I even worrying about whats happening across the street. The US is worrying a lot about the middle east by the way.
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Pluto 🚲, we need oil what u expect
Saя¿asmatron
, because what happens in America affects the rest of the world. Also what is happening in America lately is very interesting, sad, but also funny and entertaining.
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Saя¿asmatron, if you got a problem w guns how about you come take them.. we'll take yours if we wanted to why can't your country invade us?
Tadas
, that's the most idiotic comment of the day. Thank you.
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Tadas, can't solve the gun solution so calls someone a idiot 😂
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Tadas
, yes genius, no one can solve american gun fetish problem except americans themselves.
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Tadas, well...let us stop being captain lets take a guns or come take them yourself
Tadas
, how tf you even sleep at night? Dreaming of nazis, commies and evil canadians with razor blade hockey sticks coming to get you?
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Tadas, I sleep good...thanks buddy
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B Samson [WildFyre]
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B Samson [WildFyre], all this get rid of gun talk..why don't they just come take them? 😂😂
Tadas
B Samson [WildFyre], B Samson [WildFyre], you're not capable of anything that even resembles "thinking", so "deciding" something is impossible for you brockster :)
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Saя¿asmatron
, I don't want your guns. You can have them. In fact, have a bazooka why don't you. But I will still be critical of your choices, actions and politics, laughing at your stupidity and pitty your self destruction.
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B Samson [WildFyre]
Tadas, I guess the answer to my question would be envy on your part. Pity.
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Hanover Fiste
Tadas, fet·ish ˈfediSH/ noun 1. a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc. "Victorian men developed fetishes focusing on feet, shoes, and boots" synonyms:fixation,obsession,compulsion,mania;More 2. an inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit. When you learn English, you can have an adult debate with us...
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Saя¿asmatron
Hanover Fiste, 😂 way to prove their point! Good job!
Hanover Fiste
Saя¿asmatron, why is it ok for you to be concerned with American laws, but the Russians are evil when they do it. You need to settle this once and for all. Is it evil or is it not? If you're here talking about this, I don't want to see you cry about Russian influence anymore. Here you sit trolling social media trying to influence the politics of another country. 👏 Way to go hipocritical...
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Saя¿asmatron
Hanover Fiste, little old me is influencing US politics?! I am flattered! But anyway, since Americans like you did not seem to care when people told you your democracy is being clearly manipulated by foreign adversaries before, who gives a fuck about it now? If Russia can do it and successfuly does so, so can I, I guess 🙂 Very flattering that you think my comments or whatever influence your country's politics! It is very encouraging! I feel like Soros!
Hanover Fiste
Saя¿asmatron, there was no effect of the Russian attempts. Just like yours have no effect....but why do you think you're better than them for trying to do the same thing?
Saя¿asmatron
Hanover Fiste, because I want US to be under the influence of Carl Gustaf XVI and not Putin! And I am more successful than Russians, who clearly failed! Long live America Län! It will not be an oblast any more!
Hanover Fiste
Saя¿asmatron, nice card 😂 but your sarcasm and humor will not hide the fact that you're no better than a Russian. You do the same thing you complain about them doing, except you're not as good at it.
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Saя¿asmatron
Hanover Fiste, then I shall get more agressive with my liberal socialist swedish cuck Soros Illuminati anti-putinist America agenda! Thanks for the tip! I can not dissapoint my king! I shall make America Sweden again!
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Saя¿asmatron
, I change my mind - I will be taking your guns after all! With my very influential comments on a tiny social media app! Say bye bye to them!
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Saя¿asmatron, cool story brother
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Hanover Fiste
Saя¿asmatron, so tired of control freaks who think their criticism is beyond reproach. Talk about a snowflake....
Saя¿asmatron
Hanover Fiste, right?
Metzli
Saя¿asmatron, “funny and entertaining” yeah, that’s a great way to describe the problems of a whole nation.
Metzli
Saя¿asmatron, 😂😂
gelb
Yeaaaaahhh, 3rd.
WriteWords
I dont NEED a gun but it is not dangerous to own one if you know what you’re doing. Those graphs may be accurate but obviously if there are more guns in the US, gun homicide rates would be higher but wheres the chart showing crimes prevented due to a gun being used as a deterrent? Or where’s the chart showing breaking and enter thefts in gun free areas vs america. Guns help and hurt. Outlawing guns has special consequences that are known. Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China, much more. Knife attacks per capita in Britain are likely way higher than US— why? Gun ban.
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🎺CommanderB...
I just bought my own brand new AR15 and M1911A1!! Both were legally purchased and are in my possession.
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Rolo Tomasi
Twitter is the other website.
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Windy
How reassuring
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*ДЖ.Самуил*
I don't want to have a gun
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*ДЖ.Самуил*
🎺CommanderB..., that's what I do
voltt3c ❓
Those two options aren't really enough. I don't need a gun, but I also don't think that they're dangerous.
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Hanover Fiste
^ we got a free thinker! Ban him!
voltt3c ❓
Hanover Fiste, Fuck. Now it's out.
Kevin
Those numbers are a little skewed. Homicide is including accidents, suicides, and "justified" homicide. Also, most homicides happen is states where firearms are pretty much illegal and 92% of our Mass Shootings have happened in "gun free zones." It is a really complex problem for a really complex culture.
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Rolo Tomasi
This is true and the very fact that the “justified homicides” figure is significant (I guess) is already a huge problem. But all in all the whole thing is still a (complex) problem linked to (complex) gun culture (among others).
CEOLANE
the gun is not dangerous it's the person. Cars, trucks, buses, planes, etc... are way more dangerous if you want to blame an object. But it all comes down to the human that uses a tool for right or wrong. A gun is a tool no different then a hammer ...you can use it to build or destroy. But you cannot put blame on the hammer only the operator.
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Nina One
Why does anyone else outside the US care? Because domestic terrorism is killing people in large numbers. Mass shootings are terrible, preventable tragedies that are happening more and more frequently. And then there are all the other gun deaths. Daily slaughter that happens nowhere else in the developed world. We’re horrified, just as we are by tragedies anywhere. We want lives to be saved. We are trying to understand why so many of you you don’t want to do anything realistic to save them.
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Joey
See, you could have said you have family in the US, which is something I believe you've said before. That seems like a reasonable basis for concern. This citizen of the world stuff is hokum. Why waste so much energy on a small number of people in an otherwise well developed nation when less effort can garner better results in the rest of the world? This virtue signaling is gross. Also, adding a throwaway line about being horrified by tragedies elsewhere in the world belies your emphasis on US deaths. It's an obsession and it's disturbing. You're in the psychology field, what is it called when someone is obsessed with something outside of their control that doesn't affect their life?
Alco the Beog
Joey, your offended by people who care.
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Joey
Alco the Beog, no, I'm annoyed by people who pretend to care claiming it's for my own good because they know better than me even though they live in another part of the world as subjects to their government. I'm annoyed by people telling me how light their chains are and how bondage isn't that bad.
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Nina One
Alco the Beog, yes, he is. The numbers aren’t small, and any death is significant. Joey apparently does not see it that way.
Helzer
Joey, not everyone has a shitty selfish attitude like you. Now, look who is criticizing someone else and saying they are wrong because they don't have the same opinion of you? Let's be honest here, you can't stand Nina and you go out of your to be an ass. And you did a good job at it. Back off. And seriously don't tell someone what they should have or shouldn't have said, just because it doesn't fit your view. You don't know any of her motives and don't begin to guess, you don't like it when people do it to you and your "home" . So back off.
Helzer
Joey, boo hoo. Heed your own words.
Nina One
Joey, so you think it only makes sense for me to care if my own family is affected. That’s quite telling. Most of us are quite capable of caring about strangers. You say you are also, but comments like this suggest otherwise. I don’t consider the numbers small. Over 38,000 people died by guns in the US in 2016. The figures above point to a serious problem. Yes, I could focus on deaths by earthquakes and volcanoes in other countries. But those are natural disasters; people do what they can to reduce death and injury. I could protest about Russia’s extrajudicial killings. But I doubt I’d make much of a dent. The majority of the US population wants sensible gun laws. Those laws, properly enforced, could save a lot of lives. This can happen. It’s just holdouts like you that want the carnage to go on.
Joey
Nina One, now you can minds from far away? Why didn't you stop 9-11 or the school shooting in Florida?! You monster!
Joey
Helzer, where did I tell someone not to say something? Do you see the irony in telling me to stop saying things you don't like when I've said people can have their opinion, but this particular opinion offered ad naseum by people with no actual interest in my society is annoying? I feel like this is all lost on you. Go cool off. You seem upset.
Joey
Nina One, Carnage? Does a person have the right to take their own life?
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, cars have killed twice the amount you quoted.
Helzer
Joey, rrrriiight. Not lost at all. Your a bully and you deliberately and subley belittle Nina and it's rather old. That's what I have a problem with. I haven't told you to stop saying your opinion. And when did you tell someone not to say something? Idk I never said that, I said don't tell someone what they should or shouldn't have said. You told Nina she could have said she has family. Who are you to tell her what she should have or could have said to make you feel better. It's not about you or what pleases you.
Alco the Beog
Joey, by the way the U.S. is not a one nation.
CEOLANE
Alco the Beog, that's not what The Pledge of Allegiance says.
Alco the Beog
CEOLANE, no it's the reality. We are a land of immigrants from all over the place
Joey
Alco the Beog, that is a country.
Joey
Helzer, you can stop being a white knight for Nina. She can take care of herself. I told her that she could have made a much better point. That would have answered the question you are too scared to try and answer. You aren't interested in anything except regurgitating the canned answers you need to believe are correct. At least try and tell me why you are so concerned about the US? Nina tried. Her answer was weak but at least she did. I think I hit the nail on the head with you with my reasoning before, which is why you are so upset.
Joey
🎺CommanderB..., Falls have killed just as many.
Alco the Beog
Joey, even if it's a country it is by no means a country where people have the same values.
Helzer
Joey, well first off I never claimed my concerns for the US. All I did was tell you to fuck off about having a problem with this card and the poster not being from the US. Cry about it. And cry about it some more. I will defend and say what I please thank you very much. And I will every single time you target Nina because you are an ass. I'm not scared to answer anything. Why would I want to satisfy what you want just to make you feel better. And you haven't had any legitimate questions little boy. Answers I need to believe are correct... Ha ha your a peach. Really though, that's a good one. Pat on the back for you. You know people actually do care about the well being of humans, you don't need to be apart of the same country to care. I'm sorry your little mind can't grasp that so you constantly need to attack her. People do care, and because you cant comprehend it, doesn't make it false. That's not how these things work young man.
Helzer
Joey, do people being murdered really not matter? It's so easy and less personal to kill with a gun. People do matter. Regardless where they are in the world. All people matter.
CEOLANE
Alco the Beog, How many are we then? smdh... where did you get your "edumacation"? Definition : One nation PHRASE A nation not divided by social inequality. We are 1 Nation
Joey
Alco the Beog, no country of any significant size has people with all the same values. I'm not following your point.
Joey
Helzer, u mad? 😀
Alco the Beog
Joey, In other countries they do more since they are not the melting pot of basically the world plus we are the 4th largest land wise.
Joey
Alco the Beog, the US is a relatively young country that has a more diverse population than just about any other country in the world. I think that's a good explanation as to why we have more murders. We should continue to allow civilians to own weapons for that reason and others.
Helzer
Joey, no not particularly. I'm watching a cooking show, and it's rather enjoyable.
Hanover Fiste
Joey, wow look at the anger you have provoked because you can think for yourself! Just step back and look at them! 😂 I think you have spit all over your glasses
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Joey
Hanover Fiste, I know, right? I think I hit a nerve.
Hyde
😂😂😂
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Helzer
Hanover Fiste, you know I've figured it out, your narcissistic. Yup that's it.
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Joey
Helzer, you're*
Alco the Beog
Joey, so because we have guns we have murders. So now let's continue is what you're saying
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Joey
Alco the Beog, lol, what?
Jack (writer) 🎺
Alco the Beog, what the?
Alco the Beog
Jack (writer) 🎺, Joey, look a little up at your comments
Jack (writer) 🎺
Alco the Beog, you go look them up because neither of us said anything remotely like that.
Josh
I absolutely need firearms
🎺CommanderB...
I have many and will get many more...... 😊
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Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB..., what a wonderful accomplishment for you!
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🎺CommanderB...
Escape, it is a hobby
Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB..., and what an absolutely fantastic hobby it is!
🎺CommanderB...
Escape, it's not like I am new to weaponry. They are all safely locked away.
Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB...,, I never thought otherwise, obviously you are an exemplary gun enthusiast! I hope your amazing collection grows by the hundreds!
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🎺CommanderB...
Escape, I wouldn't label myself that way, but thank you. I have a few selections. My son and I go to the range and out holes in paper.
Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB..., wow! Shooting holes in paper, how marvelous!
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🎺CommanderB...
Escape, it is great fun and wonderful father and son time.
Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB..., absolutely! No way better to spend your time! Total bonding at its finest!
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🎺CommanderB...
Escape, it is fun, you should try it.
Escape 🎃
🎺CommanderB..., it's right at the tippy top of my to-do list! I hope that someday I too can experience the joy of shooting holes in paper!
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Escape 🎃
Ike, sorry, didn't make it to the video, the NRA shill was a turn off. But I'm super duper positive that pistol paper perforating must be a real wow!
Hanover Fiste
🎺CommanderB..., I like your hobby better than the hobby I see here of being insulting and condescending....
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Escape 🎃
Hanover Fiste, awww, , feel better now? 😂 he knows as well as you do that I live in New York, and don't have access to a gun. But troll on Judge Superior 😉
Hanover Fiste
Escape, is that a new rebuttal? Call people trolls when you're trying to hide your own trolling? 👍 Nice I think I'll try that too...
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Escape 🎃
Hanover Fiste, just an observation shared by many you've inflicted yourself on. Now run on back to sneering at people you don't agree with 👋
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Escape 🎃
BTW, you need to work on your English, or you would know that it's very common for the word "fetish" to be used as in 1.1 1A form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc. ‘a man with a fetish for surgical masks’ ‘a foot fetish’ 1.1An excessive and irrational devotion or commitment to a particular thing. ‘the western fetish for all things North African’
DELETED USER
Escape, honestly, if I just joined this platform and read this comment thread, the thought: "wow could this 'Escape' person be any more condescending towards this guy who's just sharing his hobby?"--would certainly come to mind. A barebones reading of this thread doesn't put you in such a favourable light. Consider your adoring fans madam. CommanderB was quite respectable as you attempted to denigrate the man and how he chooses to spend his time...also worth noting.
Escape 🎃
StareN2theAbyss, honestly, thanks as always for your input. You could say the same if you did a bare-bones reading of a multitude of threads so I'm honored that you chose me to focus on. Love your humorous reference to adoring fans sir. CommanderB is more than capable of speaking up for himself, he has had no difficulty in the past expressing disapproval to me or anyone else, so I don't know why this occasion would be any different if he thought I really cared. Personally, I would prefer skeet shooting, but people are free to spend their time as they wish. But good that you're looking out for him, kudos to you.
sweetgretel
maybe amazing
Hyde
Yes it is dangerous, no I will not give them up.
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Possu
Third picture is FALSE. Finland's number is same as Sweden and France, 32.
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rinsalinqq
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soloyo 📸
Sweden, Switzerland, and Uruguay got me by sursprise 😮
AmericanHomestead
You know nothing of the US gun culture until you attend either an NRA convention, SHOT show, or Knob Creek. Then you will see the gun culture in America.
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Escape 🎃
Do you consider yourself a good example of US gun culture?
Tyler Anderson
The NRA is not nearly as strong on gun rights as I would like. I could never support them.
Simply Epic
Americans own so many guns because of the old frontier ideology that there was no law to protect you, so you have to protect yourself. Times have changed since the 1800s, and unfortunately that ideology hasn’t.
Hyde
Yes it has. You just can't see it because we will not conform to a Europearn ideology that only the tyrants......er.....governments should have firearms.
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Hanover Fiste
Do police have a duty to protect you? Supreme Court says no.
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Rolo Tomasi
Hanover Fiste, what case are you referring to?
Simply Epic
Hyde, it’s not a European ideology, it’s a civilized one. It’s the same ideology that remained in the populated, urban US while some people moved west onto the frontier and adopted a different ideology that made sense at the time, but no longer does.
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Hyde
Simply Epic, that is your opinion.....to say that only your opinion is civilized...is in itself uncivilized and unaccepting of anyone who thinks different. As I said above we will not conform. Call it what you want.*it still only your opinion*
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Alco the Beog
Hyde, no it's true.
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Nina One
Hyde, are you saying that the will to minimize random violence in society and increase safety and security — one of the major ways in which civilization has developed — is not the American way?
Hyde
Alco the Beog, no it's an opinion...nothing more. The popularity of it doesn't change that.
DELETED USER
So if you believe having a gun is a means to protect yourself then you are basically uncivilized? Hmm, that would seem rather bigoted.
Simply Epic
Hyde, I’m not using civilized/uncivilized as an insult, just a fact. The word civilized is derived from the word civilization, which refers to cities. The countryside is not civilization, it’s the opposite, and thus is uncivilized. Ideologies primarily found in the countryside and not in cities is thus defined as uncivilized.
DELETED USER
Simply Epic, in no dictionary is the word defined as you mentioned.
DELETED USER
Simply Epic, that is literally not what the word actually means, so your working definition is completely flawed lol.
Hyde
Simply Epic, you should contact the dictionary company, and have them change the defintions to match yours them your argument might actually have some merit. As it sits, it merely shows a judgemental ignorance towards what you do not understand.
Jack (writer) 🎺
StareN2theAbyss, Hyde, I woke up today in this city but somehow completely detached from civilization. I couldn't use the grocery store or the quickstop. I had to hunt elk for breakfast. Thank God I had my guns.
Simply Epic
Hyde, it’s not a dictionary definition. It’s a historical definition. Throughout all of human history to be civilized means you live in a civilization, which is a city. Don’t believe me? I’ll quote from Wikipedia: civilization is a, “complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification imposed by a cultural elite, symbolic systems of communication (for example, writing systems), and a perceived separation from and domination over the natural environment.” Not sure if you caught that it mentions urban development as a requirement.
Hyde
Simply Epic, so do you believe anyone living outside a large major city is simply uncivilized?
Hyde
Jack (writer) 🎺, I'm in trouble there's no elk in this area..😕😂
Jack (writer) 🎺
Hyde, it's not a dictionary definition, but my dad works for Websters so he told me it counts.
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DELETED USER
Simply Epic, my friend, you're using the word "civilization" as a colloquialism. Again, that is not what the word actually means. Just because you don't belong to an immediate collective group of peers, doesn't therefore mean that you are "uncivilized."
Hyde
Jack (writer) 🎺, 😂😂😂😂😂
Awesome!
the gun is merely a good, if used with a righteous man it will become harmless or useful, but if used for crime it can be said to be dangerous
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🎺CommanderB...
Isn't it amazing, the same piece of steel can have two different identities at the same?
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Just like a knife, a car, a plane, a hammer etc etc.
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🎺CommanderB...
Jack (writer) 🎺, exactly
Rolo Tomasi
Jack (writer) 🎺, which is why you have to pass an exam to drive a car or a plane.
Saя¿asmatron
Jack (writer) 🎺, so why not use a knife, a car, a plane, a hammer etc etc for protection? If people can kill with anything that is at hand, they can protect themselves with anything that is at hand too.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Saя¿asmatron, because I'd never bring a knife to a gunfight
🎺CommanderB...
Guns, rifles, shot guns and pistols are all inherently safe. People might do bad things with them.
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Rolo Tomasi
Which is precisely why many want to monitor what kind of people can get their hands on guns.
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soloyo 📸
Please buy ALL the guns in the world! All guns to the US. And the rest of the world can live in peace 😁
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Metzli
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🎺CommanderB...
Metzli, that is pure BS and you know it!
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Hyde
Metzli, racist much??
Joey
Metzli, flagged for hate speech
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Nina One
Metzli, I think most of the nation has forgotten that. Or never learned it. Have you thought of doing some cards on the topic? Maybe educate a few people?
DELETED USER
Metzli, lol, so create a pogrom in which *the descendants* of white European people who in the *past* caused havoc are now, in the *present* systematically killed merely because of their skin color? I SERIOUSLY hope you're joking.
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Metzli
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Metzli, you referenced killing then said you wanted to remove one ethnicity. What are you confused about? Preaching genocide is hate speech.
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DELETED USER
Metzli, yes get rid of all the white people causing "havoc". Maybe the Jews too, and those dirty Irish, oh and the Poles. I'm getting a rather troubling "Triumph of the Will"--type vibe from this one. (This comment will likely be deleted because the mods are sarcasm-illiterate.)
Metzli
StareN2theAbyss, It’s not a skin color thing, it’s a mentality thing. The People in charge are European descendants. There are European descendants who are not in charge, or rich, or above the law, they are victims like the rest of us, and shouldn’t be upset at my comment as it does not include them.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Metzli, change European in your statement to African and tell me why it isn't racist.
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DELETED USER
Metzli, lets not mince words, you're talking about ethnic cleansing. But, you're like, totally serious about it. 😂 Christ, if this doesn't get modded...this platform is a joke.
Jack (writer) 🎺
StareN2theAbyss, it's not that the mods don't understand sarcasm. They get it when it's someone whose opinion they share. If they disagree with your opinion or just don't like you then suddenly it's *poof* "what's sarcasm?"
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Metzli
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DELETED USER
Jack (writer) 🎺, this is genuinely an unbelievable conversation! 😂😂😂
Jack (writer) 🎺
StareN2theAbyss, ya this if goofy.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Metzli, StareN2theAbyss, honestly we should stop here. I think this is just going to become a flame war and that doesn't serve any purpose.
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Metzli
Jack (writer) 🎺, yes, especially because I’m referring to the trumps and the Clinton’s. Is it really so upsetting that I acknowledge they come from Europe?
Hyde
Metzli, what about those of us that are mutts? We have many different shades to us.
Metzli
Hyde, All shades are beautiful. The people in charge of this country are not.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Metzli, you advocating for exterminating folks because of their ethnicity. I mean it's not that much better than saying you want to kill people because of their political views or their status in life, but you didn't word it that way. You've just changed your point here to try and cover your butt. I don't care though. I've said my peace on it.
Hyde
Metzli, you did word it as though you wanted ethnic cleansin (genocide).. Ethnic cleansing means that one wants to kill and murder folks based on skin tone. If that is not what you believe you should probably clear that up. Otherwise, it is assumed that you are a believer in the ethical cleansing (genocide)of pale skin tones.
Metzli
Hyde, I thought I did clear it up. Those who want to be offended can stay offended. The people in charge of the US are killing people worldwide and happen to come from Europe. I’m making a brand new card that has nothing to do with anyone dying and will make people just as upset. Watch.
Hyde
Metzli, yea......you are wrong. Not all the leaders of the USA are of European descent. To pretend they are is lying to yourself. *smh* You simply want to hate, and no amount of words on the internet will stop you......Your life your rules, but letting hate rule you will destroy you.
Joey
Metzli, how is the original hate filled comment calling for murder still up?
Metzli
Joey, I must be exceptionally privileged.
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Nina One
Metzli, 😂😂😂
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, You know how. Biased mods.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, She leans left so if she alludes to white genocide, the mods won't remove it. If anyone else who leaned right even used sarcasm freely, we'd draw the ban.
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Joey
Nina One, you're so clever. Did you know that your card on coal mining was refuted by Snopes? https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/
Nina One
Joey, thanks for the reference. Snopes says, “though the initiative to block the Stream Protection Rule will undoubtedly increase the number of permits issued to dump excess spoil into streams, it is more of a return to a vaguely established condition than an instance of newly enacted legalization.” In other words, it will allow more dumping of mine waste into streams. Trump is indeed reversing the good work Obama did, one item at a time, rather than coming up with new legislation on the subject.
Joey
Nina One, please stay on topic Nina. This card is about guns and this comment thread is about metzli wanting to kill white people. If you must discuss your mining card please know that Snopes is pointing out hyperventilating news sources have completely missed that Trump campaigned on this issue and was lawfully elected on it. While the rule never truly went into effect since Obama enacted the rule change on the last day of his presidency. So truthfully, nothing changed. Despite this tangent, please try to stay on topic in the future. Back to what we were doing. What was that? Oh yes, we were roundly condemning Metzli's hate speech. Where did you stand on that issue?
Nina One
Joey, who changes the topic, scolds me for doing so and then does it some more. What a little troll you are. If you think I’m going to help you smother Metzli and what she has to say, think again. Go play your little games.
Joey
Nina One, smother the person who wants violence? I'm not trolling, but I am genuinely surprised at how biased you are What check box does metzli fill on your agenda to be above rebuke?
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, You're smothering her? You being too clingy in the relationship Joey? Dial it down man.
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, lol! Who would have known?
DELETED USER
Jack (writer) 🎺, hey, notice my comment is gone? Called it 😂. At least they deleted her comment too. Still, I guess theyre going to pretend my comment wasn't sarcastic to prove a point.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
StareN2theAbyss, I've found the only way to get the mods to take action on stuff when they don't like your views is to cause a huge stink and be a poor example. Then they have to take action against you and the person actually acting the fool. It's sad but that's how biased these mods are. They clearly have no real world experience in a leadership position. My dog could do a better job modding this place.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
StareN2theAbyss, so basically you called them on their shit. Good job.
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Justice
Question, in which country is their government most scared to cross?? Also, how many countries have americans helped revolt against totalitarian regimes sucessfully. Not sayn US isnt corrupt, and doesnt overstep boundries. In the US we hold guns because our government is corrupt, and at some point may need to use them according to the second ammendment.... If you loose one right you loose them all immediately. JS
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Metzli
Silly. The US hasn’t “helped” anybody. We just go destroy places and call it building democracy.
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Justice
Metzli, exactly!!! Ty for understanding. Now can we stop please 👌🌍🌎🌏😇🤗
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Justice
Metzli, so the world benefits from the fact americans can excersize the 2nd ammendment to possibly put our gov in check to stop bn a big dick raping the world. Maybe one day, but who knows. Ty for your comment🤗🙏❤
Joey
Metzli, since you seem to have other Americans to point of wishing them harm, is it fair for you to say "we" when discussing the US? Just curious.
🎺 Stay Frosty ✠
Now go ban butter knives like the UK
Hanover Fiste
They need to ban acid
Jack (writer) 🎺
Hanover Fiste, also they should ban trucks
Hans Bauer
Look how well guns (2nd higheat rate in the world) are helping to stabilize the situation in Yemen
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Hans Bauer
And look how well Yemen (2nd in guns/capita) is fighting the coup. Everyone's absolutely fine there
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Hyde
Very stigmitizing
🎺CommanderB...
Hyde, not at all. Just factual.
Metzli
The world continues its obsession with the United States. Stop giving us so much attention, you’re feeding our self centered ways.
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Saя¿asmatron
"We'll stop giving you so much atention when you stop being so disfunctional!" World
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Metzli
Saя¿asmatron, oh sure, my self centered ways make me forget that everyone else in the world does so much better in terms of functionality.
Saя¿asmatron
Metzli, ehm.. yep!
Tyler Anderson
Gun homicide rate in America had a similar drop as Australia, in fact, Australia followed the same trend. There is no evidence for guns creating more death. It matters not whether a hammer or nailgun is used, the tool simply does the job the person behind it intends.
Zumb
That card is quite funny. A lot of people didn't even try to read at the numbers and try to get something from them. They just believe someone evils want to steal their loved guns from them, and stupid Europeans try to help them. Look at them better. Like compare USA to Finland or Switzerland gun ownership, related to mass shootings. It's not strictly correlated. One can say there is a lot a mass shootings in USA and a lot of guns. But it is not true for other countries. So something else has to be there. The other point is gun regulations. A lot of people on both sides believe gun ownership is high in countries where it's easy to get guns. Mainly because they focus on certain types of guns like ar15. The truth is, it isn't correlated. In France, you cannot own an ar15, but it's quite easy to get any kind of handgun, like a Glock, for example. But gun ownership is low. So there is likely something else.
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DELETED USER
I'm willing to bet you have no clue why gun violence is so high in America. Most Europeans have no idea whatsoever. Please surprise me....
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Zumb
StareN2theAbyss, maybe because violence is seen as an acceptable mean to solve issue there. Maybe because some people from USA here are more violent, listening to them, than some drugs dealers in Europe. Maybe because people keep in searching for justification of violence instead of trying to find ways to avoid it. Maybe because giving guns to teachers in university won't solve much in mass shootings, since the first target of a shooter will die anyway, but some people there are only capable of bringing more violence to the one that exist today. Maybe because absolutely no effort is made to try to find why that violence exist, except the childish explanation saying "he was evil" or "he was mad, or hd mental issues".
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DELETED USER
Zumb, no, not really. Some of those (questions) have kernels of truth to them. Violence is not a socially acceptable means to solve problems, like anywhere on the planet, where it is used, its universally condemned. Its no different here dude, your "outside looking in" perspective is pretty flawed, not to mention completely ignorant to our broader issues. I'm pretty certain that you think gun enthusiasts or simple, everyday folk are responsible for Americas rather high murder rate. Keep at it, I'm sure you'll get a clue. Try FBI crime statistics. 😉
Nina One
StareN2theAbyss, what about the ‘stand your ground’ laws? What about the acceptance that one is justified in killing intruders? These indicate shifts toward an acceptance of violence and a disregard for human life, which has taken place in the US over the last few decades. They may seem normal to you, but they are not shared by the rest of the developed world.
DELETED USER
Nina One, those laws exist for extreme cases of immediate bodily harm which could result in death to the victim, here you are justified to take the life of your attacker only if it is provable that their is no other viable option. If there is no other option but to take the life of the person trying to kill you, then the courts *can* rule that you...in defense and preservation of your own life, are not an actual murderer. You still following? These cases still go through the courts Nina. Again, clearly your demonstrating ignorance on the subject of guns. This doesn't illustrate an acceptance of violence, that is super reductive and completely ignorant of context, it simply means that if an old lady is being raped and strangled by 5 dudes she can reach for a gun (if she has one) and defend her life...and not be tried as a murderer for doing so.
Nina One
StareN2theAbyss, that’s not my understanding of ‘stand your ground’ laws. Nor is it an accurate reflection of the kinds of things people say on here; e.g.: “If someone robs me I am going to shoot them.” I’ve asked such people if they feel justified shooting an intruder, and they say yes. They don’t plan to wait to find out if they’re at risk of death themselves. They feel justified in inflicting death for a break-in. And the laws now encourage that. People have shot family members because they thought they were intruders. One man shot his daughter through a closet door (she was skipping school and he came home unexpectedly. She hid and he shot her.) She wasn’t threatening him. All he had to do was go and call 911. There are many, many incidents like this.
DELETED USER
Nina One, sure, and I don't justify those cases, where people accidentally shoot a family member, or just shoot people for looking at them wrong, I'm talking about quantifiable life and death circumstances. These are also the objective and measurable standards that would be applicable and incumbent in a trial. As I've said to some of these people on here before, simply because someone crosses your property bounds, does not mean you are justified, both morally or legally, in shooting them. I too have encountered those same people, quite frankly, they have no idea what their talking about, and if their half-brained interpretation of these, rather complex laws would come to fruition, they'd likely be tried for manslaughter, if not murder.
Nina One
StareN2theAbyss, that seems to depend on the judge; stand your ground laws are applied with a lot of inconsistency. Here’s an interesting article. http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133
DELETED USER
Nina One, I already knew an article like this was coming my way haha. Sure, laws that are judged inappropriately *do* tend to draw out net negatives. Remember we're talking about the general idea in your comment that it (stand your ground laws) are a trend towards accepting violence. I think, using nothing but rhetoric, that I described the spirit behind the law and how you may have framed it incorrectly. Going about sourcing where it has been misused, or poorly judged, is kinda immaterial. Again, the exemptions don't disprove the rule.
Nina One
StareN2theAbyss, I disagree. Why don’t we leave it there?
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, or a shift towards an ideology of self protection and upholding the laws.
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, the laws don't encourage shooting, they allow it when one is threatened. What else is the homeowner to believe if someone come barging in to their house in the middle of the night?
Hyde
🎺CommanderB..., the belief is that all Americans hear a bump in the night and immediately expend all of their ammunition in random directions while lissing themselves. Any experienced firearm user knows it simply is not true. You always fully acquire the target before dropping the target. To be clear I don't shoot folks for stepping on my property. However if you are breaking into my home in the middle of the night.....*refer back to the last sentence of the first paragraph*
Zumb
🎺CommanderB..., Self protection is an illusion. It doesn't exist in real world.
Zumb
Hyde, maybe you don't personally shoot randomly when hearing a noise, I trust you on that. But just looking at the newspaper seems to show that a lot of people react way more aggressively in your country. The stand your ground law was designed to legally protect these peoples. If you react and shoot in a self defense manner, you wouldn't need stand your ground law. You will be protected from prosecution almost anywhere in the world including in Europe. The stand your ground law was designed to offer a legal protection for those willing to shoot first and think afterwards. That is a sign of society willing to justify violence. The day the same guy get pissed at his university, he may believe it's acceptable to shoot randomly at peoples there. Because he starts believing it was acceptable to shoot asshole in his garden. Shooting assholes outside his garden won't be so different.
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🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, come breaking into my house at 0300. Let's see what happens.
Seeing Red
Zumb, sheep says Baaaaa. :)
Юрий
Самое ЛУДШЕЕ оружие в РОССИИ, Круче "СТЕЧКИНА" и "АК-47" в мире ни чего круче НЕТ,
🎺CommanderB...
All guns should be confiscated?
Rolo Tomasi
🎺CommanderB..., absolutely nothing should be done whatsoever?
Zumb
🎺CommanderB..., No, because it wouldn't solve the issue which is way deeper than that. And it would alienate guns owner from something that should be achieved by your whole population together. But instead of focusing on guns regulations, maybe guns owners could start thinking about way to solve the problems, solutions less dumb than giving guns to teachers, and more constructive than prayers.
🎺CommanderB...
Rolo Tomasi, is it difficult to go and vote in the USA? Voting is not only a right but a responsibility. Protecting my family is a very high responsibility.
🎺CommanderB...
Rolo Tomasi, of course mentally challenged people should not be armed! Military and police should be allowed to carry anywhere.
Minkhantnyar
Hi! Everybody morning! Have a nice day.
RazaqBarry
Hahahaha its really interesting,
🎺CommanderB...
I have lots of guns
Rolo Tomasi
Trolling is easy, stop failing at it!
Jack (writer) 🎺
Rolo Tomasi, Pretty sure he's not trolling. 😂
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Rolo Tomasi
Jack (writer) 🎺, he’s either trolling or tweeting on the wrong app.
Hyde
I have my share of firearms too😁
Rolo Tomasi
Hyde, the truth is I have my share of firearms too. None of them in working condition though.
Hyde
Rolo Tomasi, all of mine are in working condition. I dont like collecting thing with using them.
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Rolo Tomasi
Hyde, *without?
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Hyde
Rolo Tomasi, all of mine are in working condition. I don't like collecting things without using them. Thank you for catching that for me.
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Nina One
Hyde, that is not the belief and your exaggeration is just a strawman argument. However, it does appear that the behaviour of shooting to deal with perceived threat is a lot higher in the US than elsewhere. It also appears that it has increased since the ‘stand your ground’ laws have come into effect. If you read the article I linked to above, you’ll see that there have been many cases in which people killed others unnecessarily (for instance, when the victim was walking away), and were protected by the law.
Hyde
It was an attempt to show another how some view the US. Yes shooting to deal with a perceived threat will be higher in US. You can't have firearm problems if you don't have firearms 😲. I very much appreciate stand you ground laws. You have demonstrated a very thorough corrupted and misinformed view on those laws. I could attempt to explain it to you, but we both know you wouldn't listen and I would be wasting time. You can look it up if you want *please not cnn, or other garbage news*. One sentence for others: stand your ground laws make it legal for me to hold my position without being forced to flee for my safety. I am allowed to stand and defend my self.. . The whole walking away incident seems like a mixed story with very lopsided facts. I didn't checkout your link, because you have a history of linking very opinionated articles that are void of factual sustenance. Maybe this one is different.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Hyde, Jesus I knew it was bad but is that really what folks from other countries think stand your ground laws mean? Killing folks whom were walking away 😂. You know, if we had views like this about countries most of the other folks in this thread were from, they'd all tell us to piss off and mind our own business.
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Hyde
Jack (writer) 🎺, the willful and ignorant spreading of misinformation is sad. I mean damn.....if half of the shit I hear about Americans and firearms was true, we'd all be dead by now. Listening to some of the hysteria makes me think I'm gonna by seeing firefights every day both going to and from work. It is nothing more than uninformed hysteria.
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Nina One
Hyde, it’s an article from the Tampa Bay Times. I have no idea which way that paper swings. It describes a number of cases in which stand your ground was used. What is the advantage of standing and defending yourself rather than fleeing to safety?
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, if you are in your home, it should be the epitome of safety! No fleeing required.
Hyde
Nina One, if you want to retreat then retreat. Retreat is not in some of us. And the ability to stand your ground and defend your self is important. Pretending their is a duty to flee, is taking rights from law abiding citizens and giving them to criminals.
🎺CommanderB...
Hyde, why should the homeowner run from the bad guy? Especially at home!
Jack (writer) 🎺
Hyde, Hyde, to be fair the media is to blame for shit like this. Everything from 2000 round magazines to "bullet buttons," have been thrown around. If I was someone who had zero exposure to firearms and gun laws, I'd be clueless too.
Hyde
🎺CommanderB..., you should never be forced to run from the bad guy. Cowardice is an option but it should never be forced. There are times when Retreat is advantageous
Nina One
Hyde, I would far rather retreat than kill someone. My goods are not worth a life. Nor is my pride.
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, what about your life or your family's life?
🎺CommanderB...
Hyde, another true statement. I am not your average citizen. I am a combat veteran and a retired federal law enforcement officer. I know the firearm laws.
Hyde
Nina One, I don't want to take a life either, which is why I have other deterrents such as dogs.
Nina One
Then why not retreat? It’s what people have been expected to do under British Common Law for centuries, prior to stand your ground.
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, if you are in your own home, where does one retreat? Your home should be a place of security, peace, refuge and solace. Retreat has already happened simply by being in your home.
Hyde
Nina One, why givs in to the criminal so that he can then go after someone else. Its better to no this in the bud as soon as possible. You say your stuff is not worth a life. I say someone somewhere has to stop the madness, why not me, why not now? As I said above retreat does not come easy to some of us.
Nina One
Hyde, it’s the police’s job to stop them. Not mine. Do you imagine that while retreating out the back door I’m not calling 911? As for retreat not coming easy, I’m reminded of the Ferguson cop who shot Michael Brown. When asked if he felt any regrets, he said no. It was just something that happened. Totally callous. As if Brown wasn’t a human being. That’s the attitude I’m seeing amongst “stand your ground” adherents. A willingness to kill. An acceptance of killing as a first rather than last choice. Their emotional distaste for retreat is seen as more important than another person’s life.
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DELETED USER
Nina One, I actually just gone done explaining to you how it (again, stand your ground) *is* a means of last resort, its literally codified in law. I think we can all agree that having the right to defend yourself is a good thing. I also think that we can all agree that when people abuse this, its universally wrong. Honestly, you may be just projecting here. I'd leave the emotion out of the discussion if possible.
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Hyde
Nina One, as for the cop that shot Michael Brown? Do you expect the police to retreat too?? Who do you think comes when you call 911 while retreating? It really sounds like you want the criminal to have their way if every one is retreating. Not having any regrets, does not equal callous. He didn't say he was proud he killed him. He didn't say he wanted to kill him. Reading your emotions into it will prevent you from seeing any truth. You say they have an emotional distaste for retreat, when in reality this entire scenario is foreign to you. You have no idea of the thoughts that enters one's mind during, before or after a firefight. You're judgmental and closed minded attitude only prevents you from ever gathering any insight.
Nina One
StareN2theAbyss, if you won’t read the article then I don’t think there’s any point in continuing the discussion. You are making statements without data.
Nina One
Hyde, the actions and attitudes of the police are a whole other question. The cop who killed Michael Brown was callous; there’s plenty of other evidence to suggest that. YOU said you have an emotional distaste for retreat. You said “retreat does not come easy to some of us.” I am saying that such a feeling should not be more important than someone’s life. Retreat from danger is perfectly reasonable. Some macho ideal about defending one’s castle is not an adequate justification for acting as judge, jury and executioner.
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, retreat where? I am in my home, where else do I go? Where does my family go?
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Nina One
(Sigh.) To a neighbour’s. 🙄
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, while held a gun point or getting brutalized? Good idea.
Nina One
No, when you’re first aware of an intruder. Most of these situations are simple theft, when they happen at all. Now please stop talking to me.
🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, I cannot. You spread vile half truths and innuendo. You and your like must be exposed for what you are.
Joey
Nina One, you are arguing about a situation where it is possible to retreat. Folks have put two different questions to you here. 1) What if you can't retreat? 2) Why should you have to retreat from your own home? You've created a hypothetical situation where it is possible to retreat and then refused to consider anything else.
Nina One
Joey, no one has asked the first question; they’ve confounded the two situations. Of course people use force to protect their lives; that has always been allowable under common law. The second question is an emotional one. It suggests that retreat is so humiliating that it is justifiable to take someone’s life to avoid it.
Joey
Nina One, there's some common ground here. If you can't retreat and some is attacking you with deadly force, then it's ok to fight back with deadly force. Commander B basically asked this, I presented the question in my own words. So for the second question.... Someone invading your home is an emotional trauma. Running away, in a sense, gives them power over your place of safety. In order to feel secure in one's own home, one should be able to defend that space. In this sense you're asking that people cede power in their own home and succumb to victimhood and emotional trauma.
Nina One
Joey, so you’re saying that emotional trauma is more important than someone’s life.
Joey
Nina One, not just generic emotional trauma, but being unable to ever feel safe in one's home versus the life of a criminal that meant to do physical harm.
Nina One
Joey, for someone who dismisses emotion as the basis for decision-making, you are making a very emotional argument. Also a specious one. There is no reason to believe that leaving the home will necessarily lead to long-lasting trauma. Any more than would shooting someone in your living room. That sounds very much like an after-the-fact invention of the gun lobby.
Joey
Nina One, I am making an emotional argument. Consider it an attempt to trade in your currency. You've tried to say I don't care about people, but the people I care about are the hard-working folks who aren't trying to steal from others. If you were counseling a victim of a severe emotional trauma, how do you encourage them to get their emotional strength back?
Nina One
I’m not a trauma specialist. I believe it has a lot to do with re-establishing safety and then processing the trauma. Talk therapy apparently has its limitations, however, because trauma resides in fear centers of the brain not accessible through linguistic areas. So there are some techniques to bypass language and deal with the fear more directly.
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Joey
Nina One, what techniques are used to bypass language and deal with fear more directly?
Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, real talk, you know what helps me deal with trauma? Knowing I have a knife in my pocket and a few firearms in my house.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Joey, I at least feel comfortable at home and even if it's just a knife, I don't feel so anxious in crowds. They're still a complete mindfuck to deal with but they're at least manageable.
Hyde
I have ways similar to Jack. Despite having a concealed carry license I rarely do.I usually don't take my knife with me places either. Regardless of where we go I will locate emergency exits and possible/probable attack routes or people. I know the likelihood of such an event is little to nothing. And ptsd is partly to blame. I also keep a mental check on where my party is in relation to the exits and potential hot spots. in restaurants I sit where I can see the places. There is no one step and I constantly remind myself to relax. It works, but I also avoid large or loud crowds.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Hyde, yup same with me. I have running pace count for most exits in the room, painfully aware of fatal funnels, never put my back to a window, start getting nervous when folks have their hands in their pockets near me. It's rough.
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Hyde
Jack (writer) 🎺, hands in pockets doesn't bother me, but I pay a lot of attention to body posture and facial features and expressions.
Joey
Jack (writer) 🎺, I know a few people with PTSD, they say the same thing. Having the ability to defend oneself is necessary to feel secure. Thanks for sharing that.
Joey
Hyde, thanks for sharing that.
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🎺CommanderB...
It's always Nina One's way or no way. No discussion, simply just shut down and stomp her feet and close everything down. Real mature, I'd hate to be one if her clients or work mates.
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William
Maybe focus some of your scathing judgemental analysis on your own debating techniques, you might be surprised at what you find. 😉
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Nina One
Thanks William. I don’t think any improvement in debating techniques would tempt me, though. 😉
🎺CommanderB...
William, I am blunt to be sure! Words have meanings, they are not up for discussion. You are always allowed to have your own feelings. Facts belong to everyone.
William
🎺CommanderB..., So, no introspection or change of behavior on your part is possible?
🎺CommanderB...
William, my behavior is not in question is it? I am an unabashed conservative and constitutionalist. This does not mean I should be or allowed to be rude. What it does mean is I will always defend my country, especially from leftist Canadians. These words are strong, not rude.
William
🎺CommanderB..., I'm questioning your behavior and your ability to be self-aware, I think both are lacking.
🎺CommanderB...
William, what might you suggest I do to improve in those areas?
William
🎺CommanderB..., think about and analysis your own flaws and shortcomings more than you do those of other people. Try to honestly assess your own character and actions, make changes, assess again, etc. It's a difficult but rewarding experience, I assure you.
Seeing Red
Nina One, Understood, your a victim, plain and simple....enough said. :)
🎺CommanderB...
William, thank you, I'll give it a try.
Nina One
Seeing Red, if not wanting to kill people makes me a victim, so be it. In any case, the chances of anyone entering my home intending to do me harm are infinitesimal. Far lower than the risks of having a deadly weapon in the house.
Seeing Red
Nina One, conveyed like a true victim and ironically, victim's have a higher chance of being victimized...imagine that. 😂
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🎺CommanderB...
Seeing Red, it's a lifestyle or an attitude.
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Nina One
We need a shrug emoji.
Metzli
Nina One, 🤷🏽♀️
Nina One
Metzli, that looks more like “I don’t know” than “I don’t care.”
Metzli
Nina One, 🙃
Nina One
As a shrug? Too friendly.
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🎺CommanderB...
Nina One, can't you be friendly and conversant?
Seeing Red
Nina One, try the Meh...or you can try shrugging over to the neighbor's house, screaming all the way for Someone else to protect you. :)
Nina One
Meh could work.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Eh. She doesn't have to like guns. You guys don't have to hate them. Why argue. It's not like any of us are solving this debate anytime soon.
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🎺CommanderB...
Jack (writer) 🎺, great point
William
Nina One, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Seeing Red
Jack (writer) 🎺460+ comments, 4500 views and 7000+ endorsements says it's a topic people are talking about and it doesn't end when You decide to play your cheesy mediator role. You've said you various pieces here, including dogging Nina and the Mods to your liking and referring to being the one who decides who 'gives people passes' when their views don't necessarily align with your own. Nina's a big girl, can handle herself in the textural world, as there's no physical threat she needs to run from, and I highly doubt you're high on her list of white knights to try and save her from the guys having a discussion here. Your little quote there could of just as easily been said when you were having your little hair pulling with Helzer on this same card. So chill with the bipolar bouncing around and hypocrisy. Others can have a say. :)
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Seeing Red, I'm not trying to white Knight or nothing. Just seems like it's turned into less of a discussion now and more of a "hey you're a victim," "hey you're a killer," "Ya well better to be a killer than a victim."
Seeing Red
Jack (writer) 🎺, Really? And you Trolling Helzer, discussing hello panda cookies in depth, walls of useless texts, implying racism, crying about biased mods, dogging Nina and your fragile personal anxiety issues was just so much more on point? Says who?...You? Whether a person has victimization traits or not is just as poignant into gun ownership as to whether you lean right or left. It's late in the card because first you have to discern what a person's personality traits are towards the subject. Some are victims, some stand your ground types. Most wouldn't even really know until they were actually placed in the situation. It's all pertinent to the topic. It's not like you're the one to decide where the topic starts and where it stops. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you need to try to shut it down there, Jack. Advice... Never take a job in mediation... You're too All About Jack. :)
DELETED USER
Seeing Red, dude, you took that way too far, go walk you dog or something man, chill out. 😂
Seeing Red
StareN2theAbyss, went shooting at the target park today, that was fun. :)
Zumb
About Nina way or no way, I could send that back to you, to Hyde and to others. None of you even bother answering me, not even to try to invalidate my points. I may end up thinking you guys are just trolling.
🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, I will answer your questions. Nina One simply blocks which disallows all social intercourse.
Hyde
Zumb, what was your question? I must have missed it in the sea of comments. I don't have a my way or the highway attitude. I want everyone to live according to their own will and desires, as long as they interact with others honest and void of force.
Zumb
Hyde, i wrote a bunch of text, it's midnight here and I feel a bit to lazy to rewrite everything again. But basically, the question was, what the problem is, and what should be done to make things better, and peoples safer. Please, don't fall into the guns to teachers stuff, you're smarter than that. And don't go to the prayer thing either, I don't believe in God.
Hyde
Zumb, so pretty much you want to know how to resolve the firearm issue without looking at all possible solutions?? I won't bite. I have no problems with appropriately trained teachers being armed. It should be concealed carry and not known to anyone except administrators until time to brandish and operate the weapon. Prayer is an individual matter and your belief should only affect your actions. What would you like the problem to be?? To many firearms? Bad Americans for not giving up our firearms? What would you like the question and answer to be? All I can truly tell you is that we are different with a different set of ideals, but thats ok. I wont force my ideals onto you if you wint force your ideals onto me. Kind of a live and let live scenario.
Zumb
Hyde, I should try to find my previous post. I didn't think peoples should give away their firearms. It wouldn't work. How arming teachers could be a solution? When someone is not afraid to die, how an armed teacher can prevent the first one to be killed? And what if the teacher turn mad and use his own gun to shoot at peoples? What about shootings elsewhere? Seriously,be smarter than that.
Zumb
Hyde, about prayers, a lot of peoples tried it, and apparently, it didn't bring much results.
Hyde
Zumb, I expected your response. I've seen in on an untold number of cards by almost eveyond who hates firearms as you do. That why I put this at the end. . "What would you like the problem to be?? To many firearms? Bad Americans for not giving up our firearms? What would you like the question and answer to be? All I can truly tell you is that we are different with a different set of ideals, but thats ok. I wont force my ideals onto you if you wint force your ideals onto me. Kind of a live and let live scenario." No need to answer......we are simply having the same conversation that has been had endlessly in recent weeks...but if you belief we can provide new information, please provide new information.
Zumb
Hyde, my English is quite bad, or you didn't bother reading, and put some words in my my mouth, words who don't belong there. First thing first, I don't hate firearms. They are a tool, like a hammer, a screwdriver. I have no feelings for tools. They just serve a purpose. As for banning guns? To be honest, maybe it could help. But it's not the root cause. And that move would alienate guns owners from something that the population of the country has to achieve altogether. That being said, could you please answer the question, which is what should be done to reduce violence, or improve safety in your country? That's a serious question. I don't mind answering your ad nominem attacks, but it's of topic.
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Zumb
Hyde, still no answer, from you or from the dear commander.
🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, I am here!
Hyde
Zumb, what could be done to reduce violence in society? The simple answer is to teach empathy to your children. I don't believe this is something that can be taught in the school. What do you think can be done to reduce violence in society?
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Zumb
Hyde, that's obviously a good start. How you do so? And how can it be done on a large scale?
Zumb
🎺CommanderB..., Still waiting for your proposals.
DELETED USER
Hyde, exactly! I think its a way more tangible solution than marching in a mob demanding to have your own rights taken away. 👍
🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, I didn't know you requested such.
Zumb
🎺CommanderB..., Well, now you know.
🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, I have two proposals. 1) keep laws as they are expect make training mandatory for all new gun owners and anyone under 35. If you don't pass the training, you don't get a firearm. 2) second proposal, if you want any legally obtainable weapon, you get it. You must pass background each time you purchase. 18 and older for long guns, 21 and older for pistols. Anyone can carry within these parameters. If you break the law while carrying a weapon, no more weapons for 5 years. Second infraction, no weapons for life. With lots of people legally carrying, crime would drop. These are my two proposals, they are different than each other.
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Zumb
🎺CommanderB..., That would reduce accident, for sure. But do you think this would help preventing public shootings, and if yes, how? A bunch of these peoples weren't afraid to die. And a lot of them didn't commit any infraction before going wild. It could help reduce non planified violence thought, like when a violent idiot shoot at his neighbour because he is fed up of the noise, for example. But I don't know if this kind of violence represent a high part of the overall violence.
Hyde
Zumb, what do you think should be done to reduce violence in society??
🎺CommanderB...
Zumb, something to think about.
Zumb
Hyde, I am not sure. But I believe violence as concept has to be refused. I mean, we find way to much justification for it. Most of time without even trying to find way to avoid it simply because we believe it's acceptable in some cases, like, against "bad guys". But when someone turn mad against others peoples or against an institution for some reason, theses peoples become the be guys for him. If that person would have get and education telling him violence should never be used no matter what, except obviously for saving someone else live directly threatened, then that person would not even think about using violence. No matter what he tries, may it be being mad at something or even trying to steal something.
Rolo Tomasi
🎺CommanderB..., I like #1. You know that many “liberals” that ask for “stricter gun control” are actually only asking for something like this?
Mushroom Top
If we're going to be a gun crazy culture we might as well own a lot of guns?
saroden
keep smile
B Samson [WildFyre]
Some of these numbers have been disproven several times over on this platform already. Instead of copying stuff you don't seem to understand and certainly didn't research why not explain why you feel someone in Latvia can dictate what someone on the other side of the world can and cannot do? What scares about guns? The big bang or women being able to defend themselves against a larger and stronger opponent?
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Hyde
It's just a regurgitated meme
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🎺CommanderB...
Gun violence is good.
Aditya
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Moofy
I'll tell ya what I do need that's the damn knife bans to be lifted
Possu
Fakenews. Finland hasn't that high number but ~32 like France.
Sipilip
A gun is good to end your life you know. But no sane person would hand me a gun
Hanover Fiste
Pain doesn't need a gun. Rinnegan is far more powerful.
Sipilip
Hanover Fiste, Actually, yes.
Tusj
Yes!!!
Opie ♻️
Clearly, Americans need guns to protect themselves from peaceniks, or those gunless people from wherever.
Opie ♻️
🎺CommanderB..., no, Antifa is protecting Americans from themselves. Just like any prophylactic. Just like gonorrhea and syphilis, American Social Disease is best treated by abstention, frequent hand-washing, and regular inspections by clinical hygienists.
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🎺CommanderB...
Opie ♻️, that is really good, I like it!
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Adil Seknoun
Goooood project
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
And here we are again. Hello everyone. It's cool to see my comment from the past.
5̀øÑ͜ ̕0f Æ̨ ğłīťç̴H
You're catched in the limbo
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
5̀øÑ͜ ̕0f Æ̨ ğłīťç̴H, indeed I am.
Charlie🥓Waffles
no one „needs“ a gun except cops and military.. i also dont need a gun but i‘d like to have one :D ... learn the difference between need and want ^^
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Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Well people who live in areas that would take hours to get to the closest town need a gun. Like people who live in Alaska. They dont have stores like we do. They have to hunt. They also have to protect themselves form polar bears
Nina One
Polar bears were there first. And they’re pretty endangered. Give them the guns. 😉
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Charlie🥓Waffles
Nina One, awesome thought.. 😂😂 that would look pretty cool 🤣
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Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Nina One, I believe in fairness so yes give the polar bears guns lol. We would be dead in a week.
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Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Nina One, if I could draw I would draw that.
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Hyde
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua, bears don't have trigger fingers. Are you going to modify the bear or the weapon?? What about safett training??
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Nina One
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua, if you scroll down on this card you’ll find a picture of animals with guns. ;-) And there’s a link to more in the comments, I think. https://sola.ai/nina_one/i-went-to-the-toronto-outdoor-art-show-today-NTMzY2I
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Jayson
Interesting ah
Jayson
If say the grid breaks down after an emp hits the us. Then yes I would need a gun. If someone is breaking in my house trying to kill me. Then yes I need a gun. If a baby kitten is rubbing against me? *Eh yes the kitten could kill me* No. If I'm just chilling do I need a gun? No. If nothing bad happens to me do I need a gun? No. It all depends on what happens. So place in the us you need a gun to protect your self from the wild life. People who live in far Alaska need a gun for food and protection. So again it depends on what's happening. Do I think guns should be used other than protection and hunting? No. But sadly that won't happen. People will use guns to have mass killing. They are an very Dangerous thing. Cars today are getting safer than guns. Anyone can basicly get a gun in the US and that's bad. Yes it's the second Amendment. But did our founding fathers even know what mental Illness is? No probally not. What do I think should happen? We need better gun laws. Like ones that protect the people. Japan has a good system. There are like no mass shootings there. So the USA needs to do better.
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