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🎺CommanderB...
The Bible is not fake.
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God.
No it pretty much is
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🎺CommanderB...
God., no, it pretty much is not. You however allowed to believe what you wish.
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., care to substantiate that claim?
God.
Escape, gimmie some
🎺CommanderB...
God., the Torah is pictured, historically preceeding the Bible. Each book inside the Bible has an important part. Taken as a whole, there are allegory, parables quotes, historical interpretation and even prose. Individually the books don't show the entire story. Together the Bible shows us all the word of God written in the words of men who wrote it in words and their own understanding at the time it was written. It is not a science textbook, it is a way to understand how things work together. Inside we have law and commandments, punishment and forgiveness. Religion has in some cases corrupted the word to fit their own benefit and meaning. We have news about battles and events, Kings and Queens. You don't have to believe, but it is not fake news.
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Escape
God., 🍿
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., Do you have any actual reason to believe any of the stories are real, or that God is real?
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God.
Escape, thanks
Escape
God.,enjoy
🎺CommanderB...
God., so many stories and reasons.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., care to share some reasons?
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., Is the Bible more or less credible than Dianetics?
🎺CommanderB...
God., I believe in the stories of the Gospels. Especially where Jesus came to forgive my sins and in the promise of salvation.
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., well clearly YOU believe, but is there any reason too? Any reason to just write it off as definitely not fake news?
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., you haven't even read the Bible. You've shown yourself to be barely familiar with the content. If you really thought it was God's word you'd have actually read it.
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🎺CommanderB...
God., it took thousands of years years to compile the pieces and parts which make up the Bible. To be able to do this over the centuries took great faith alone. Why would this happen over the years through the changes if language and culture?
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🎺CommanderB...
CV41, you know what I've read? Amazing.
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., in faith forges faith, not truth. Absolute faith created the books, perhaps, but does that mean its true?
🎺CommanderB...
God., true yes, there are true stories in the Bible. Do they all pass modern scientific muster? No. The stories were written by men using their own understanding of the world as they knew it at the time it was written.
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., I guess we can believe fairy tales of olden day too. If you use this logic, every religious text is true, which makes none of them true.. monotheistic religions are suddenly polytheistic. Polytheistic religions now have unregistered and all powerful deities that dwarf the current ones. Satanism suddenly just looms like worshipping another God. This view just doesn't work.
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🎺CommanderB...
God., it doesn't work for you. It works for me.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., religious nuts are so frustrating to talk to because they transcend any actual logic. "Well forget about the fact that this is illogical and cant work, because it does in my eyes". Reality is a culmination of a mass consensus.. you cant just reject it.
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Coyote
This has been a ride. God. I applaud your ability to remain consistently logical in the face of..that
God.
Coyote, the majority of my arguments tend to take place on others cards and I dont care to dig for them thou
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Coyote
God., I have seen some, and I understand. I highly respect everything I have seen that you have said thus far
God.
Coyote, at least someone does lol
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CV41
🎺CommanderB..., If you've read the Bible you've retained almost none of it. I've read the Bible cover to cover twice and I've spent many hours leafing through it. Have you or have you not read the entire Bible?
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Skycert
So God and a Commander are arguing about the non/fakeness of the Bible? Hmmm... Escape, can I have some popcorns too? 😂
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Escape
Skycert, sure 🍿
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bruise
🎺CommanderB..., I believe in this God.... ie the person who posts here as 'God' - he is the embodiment of revealed truth. His words shall be collected into an etext and shared far and wide by the communion of Sola. And thus it came to pass.
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CV41
bruise, Sola God is the one true God all others are imposters.
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🎺CommanderB...
bruise, you may and you are allowed.
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bruise
CV41, now down before the mighty yellow sort-of circle ye mighty and weep.
The OG Tyler Durden
CV41, if you're so sure about your knowledge of the bible, do you care to share your thoughts on what Babylon the Great represents? Gog of magog? The dreams of Nebuchadnezzar? Thoughts about the "tribulation" and if what is going on in Russia has any significance to that?
CV41
Dirus, I haven't considered any of those things but I'm happy to discuss them. What's your take?
The OG Tyler Durden
CV41, if I remember correctly, the bible states that before this great tribulation the nations would cry peace and security. Then would come an attack on God's people. During this time there would be celestial phenomena as signs. Then would come the attack on all false religion also known as Babylon the Great, followed quickly by the day of Armageddon. Some would attest that North Korea or Russia is the spoken of "king of the North" that is prophesied. That's the cliff notes version.
CV41
Dirus, the story of the apocalypse is also told in the book of Revelations. It's probably the most badass part of the New Testament. Christians would likely say that supercedes the Old Testament prophecy. I think we could have interpreted the build up to WW2 as a fulfillment of the prophecy of the Book of Daniel. I just skimmed it and don't have a deep understanding of it yet but do you think the description is general enough to have been applied to WW2?
The OG Tyler Durden
CV41, I don't believe any prophecy supersedes any other. Daniel is full of prophecies. Which one are you referring to?
CV41
Dirus, I was talking about the general gist of the follow up to war. I briefly skimmed it I will spend more time with it when I get a chance so I can better hold up my end of the conversation
The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., why did god not guide them. Why did he/she send his messenger to a remote uncivilized part of the world to reveal his/her son. Why didn't he/she do it in china where people was way more civilized and able to document his glory. Noone who ever met jesus have written a word of the bible.
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🎺CommanderB...
The dark passenger, the gospels were written by the names on them, John, Mathew Mark and Luke. Some of these men were illiterate so other people wrote down what was told to them. Jesus was born in an obscure part of the Roman empire to be sure. He did not come as a mighty King or as a conquering General. He came in a whisper. As a baby of some very poor people. We have to listen and not get screamed at. It is a subtle message with great import. You don't have to take it.
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The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., john mathew mark and luke did not know jesus. Illiterate men memorizing hearsay centuries after jesus was supposed to live.
🎺CommanderB...
The dark passenger, the authors of the gospels were his friends. They knew him.
The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., nope. It is impossible. Please check the fact - none of them were friends with jesus. And only one of them could have met him. And that would only have been a couple of times for a few days.
The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., do honestly believe that.?
🎺CommanderB...
The dark passenger, what ‘facts ‘?
God.
bruise, cease
Cookies
Escape, may I have some?
Escape
Cookies, anytime 🍿
🎺CommanderB...
The dark passenger, thank you! A very succinct time line.
bruise
God., a bashful god! Yay. Ecactly the kind of god the 21st century needs. Nuff of these fundies from all sides. Behold - god the bashful.
B-rod
🎺CommanderB..., For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Corinthians 1:18 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.1.18.NKJV
🎺CommanderB...
B-rod, I agree completely.
CV41
B-rod, what are we being saved from?
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Mich Millner (puhn)
CV41, If you have to ask, you are not saved 😂
The dark passenger
CV41, they fear and hate the thougt of a life before death. Eveything will be good when we are alle dead and the true believers live forever with god.
The dark passenger
CV41, for them life now is sin and suffering. And the lord testing you order to check if you are worthy of an eternal life.
Mich Millner (puhn)
The dark passenger, sounds like psycho terror
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The dark passenger
Mich Millner, exactly. The god of abraham will torture you forever if you dont obey. Jew. Islam christian.. all the same
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Mich Millner (puhn)
The dark passenger, that’s the part he outsouced
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The dark passenger
Mich Millner, so they say..... if you belive in god do you then also believe in satan? And is satan female?
Mich Millner (puhn)
The dark passenger, obviously they do, if there is no evil, there is no good
The dark passenger
Mich Millner, i'd go for an all good religion if i were to choose!
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The dark passenger, I am not forced to be in a religion , but know a little bit about the Sikh one. If you seek a good religion which not denie the existence of a God it's a good choice for your further , personal experience. Btw. without a God there is no hope for mankind !
Mich Millner (puhn)
Awakened, no hope? How this? 🤔
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Mich Millner, look around...
Mich Millner (puhn)
Awakened, What I see, is this now with or without a god?
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The dark passenger
Awakened, i dont seek a religion . Without god or without religion. You can have both of them with or without the other. You dont need s god to be reliogios.
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The dark passenger, ofc. there is no religion needed, but a way to structure your believing. In this sense the Sikh religion is the closest one nowadays . Seems me a developt mix between Buddhist , Jews, Christian and Islam. No wonder , because all time is a "messenger" if needed to force a" new" religion ! Call it evolution in a quantum universe ..😇
B-rod
The dark passenger, that's not true.
B-rod
CV41, by believing and trusting in Jesus we are being saved from eternal separation from God. God doesn't cherry pick who goes to heaven or hell. He gives us the choice of where we want to spend eternity. He loves his creation so much that he won't force people into his presence unwillingly.
CV41
B-rod, why must we be tortured in hell if we choose to be separated from God? If he truly loved us would he allow us to spend eternity in agony?
Jack (writer) 🎺
CV41, because, he knows everything, he sees everything, he understands all that you want and need but, he still wants to see you beg (pray) and still wants to torture you when you fuck up. But he pretends he doesn't know you are totally going to shit the bed and sin because watching us squirm is fun for him.
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🎺CommanderB...
B-rod, good one.
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CV41
Jack (writer) 🎺, it doesn't seem to make sense but god does work in mysterious ways. He loves me so much he is willing to see me in agony for all eternity. The real question is how can heaven be paradise for my loved ones when they are aware of my eternal torment? Souls in heaven must be completely without empathy just like god so they can be in bliss while not caring about those suffering in hell.
B-rod
Jack (writer) 🎺, I don't know where you got that from because that is false. ‘ As I live,’ says the Lord God , ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! Ezekiel 33:11 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/ezk.33.11.NKJV
B-rod
CV41, What I don't understand is if you guys don't believe in God why are you so mad at him.
Jack (writer) 🎺
B-rod, but he's God. He's omnipotent. He knows all. Shouldn't he know how things are going to turn out?
Jack (writer) 🎺
B-rod, who said I don't believe in god? I just believe there's ten billion hypocrisies and piles of b.s. in organized religion. I don't think anyone has the message right and if he exists, he's probably shaking his head somewhere calling us idiots.
B-rod
CV41, CV41, you don't have to be tortured because he gave you a way out by believing and trusting in Jesus.
B-rod
CV41, We are being saved from an eternity in hell and a miserable life without God.
Jack (writer) 🎺
See here's the thing. I could research fairies. Every myth, every legend, every single hint of a wooded trickster creature from every tale around the world. I could become the foremost expert on fairies and know every whispered syllable about these creatures. But I'm still an expert on bullshit, because no matter how hard I study, no matter what mathematics I use, no matter what microscope or telescope or submersible that I use, I'll still never find a fairy. When someone preaches how much they know about the gospel, I feel the exact same way I feel about studying fairies. Bullshit experts.
B-rod
Jack (writer) 🎺, What standard are you basing what religions are b.s. or not, and what knowledge do you have to say which religion is right or not . I agree that organized religion is one of mans worst downfalls but for me, being a Christian is a lifestyle it's not me being religious. Also just because some Christians are hypocrites, it doesn't make Christianity false.
Jack (writer) 🎺
Well I was almost a theology major at one point so I know plenty of little known facts about christianity such as Lilith, there's a gospel of jesus visiting hell that was cut when they made the King James version and plenty of other facts about translations. The problem with being a theology major is there's too much greek and latin involved and then unless you're planning on becoming a man of the cloth, there's not much you can do with it. So, I guess I'm basing my views on this particular religion as false based on silly ass tales like Ezekiel praying to God and God sending two she-bears to maul 40+ youths for calling him Bald (bit of an over-reaction there God) or how about the fact that 99 percent of the Christians I know are all pompous enough to consider it all fact by default when the only real evidence they present is quotes from a book that was written as a huge game of telephone (god to the seraphim, seraphim to the voice, voice to the prophet, prophet to the people JEEZ man I sure hope we have a scribe that can write.) That same book that's been translated and retranslated and then picked apart, reassembled with omissions so many times it can't possibly have the same meaning it once did.
Jack (writer) 🎺
These same Christians that see people like 7th day adventists who handle poisonous snakes because of a misprint in their bible, and yet somehow don't see that their faith in the same book is almost as misguided as those nutjobs.
Jack (writer) 🎺
* Not Ezekiel. I meant Elijah. I've got my prophets and my books confused.
CV41
B-rod, if I believe and trust in Jesus I'll get into heaven but what if one or more of the people I care about fail to believe and trust in Jesus? How can heaven be paradise for me when I know people I care about are suffering? I'll still be in torment which will be made worse by my knowledge of my comfort when compared to their torture.
🎺CommanderB...
Perhaps faith transcends logic?
Coyote
Perhaps logic transcends faith
🎺CommanderB...
Coyote, perhaps
Coyote
🎺CommanderB..., perhaps
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God.
Transcending logic is just another way of saying illogical, and is that really something you want your religion to be?
🎺CommanderB...
God., Christianity is definitely not logical by earths standards.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., it "transcends logic", and thus isn't logical by any standards.. although even if its only illogical by earthen standards, that renders it wholly irrelevant, considering all societies function on logic and reason.
🎺CommanderB...
God., whatever you say.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., the most frustrating part of arguing with a religious person is when they cant refute an argument, so they just go "eh whatever maaan". The ideology that you can be wrong is really missing in today's society..
🎺CommanderB...
God., I can refute your argument. You don’t want hear me, your mind is made up, anything I say or do is immaterial and you will denigrate me for it. It is tiresome using this little phone and trying to converse. I will pray for you.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., what a big statement. "I can totally refute you, but I wont!".
🎺CommanderB...
God., evident your last statement.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., hmm?
Coyote
In debates like these commander, we try to keep from getting particularly emotional, and meet each argument what is arguable with a response, until someone has present one that is irrefutable or the two parties agree.
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B Samson [WildFyre]
Coyote, I've been on Plag since the first few weeks and have yet to see some irrefutable proof that there is no God. In fact he posts and comments on here often.
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Coyote
B Samson [WildFyre], All I am saying is refute what he is saying, or give up. I am not arguing myself here.
B Samson [WildFyre]
Coyote, what who is saying?
Coyote
B Samson [WildFyre], the involved parties?
Mich Millner (puhn)
I would say, Alternative Facts
kallzo
Not cool
B Samson [WildFyre]
It's Evangelical atheism.
kallzo
I don't see why say other people's beliefs are lies just because one doesn't believe in them
God.
kallzo, I dont get why BELIEFS have any right to replace facts.
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kallzo
I'm not saying beliefs should replace facts, I'm just saying that if you don't believe in something then keep it to yourself and let others believe in what they believe in.
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God.
kallzo, and what if my belief rejects facts? And what if said belief is wide spread enough to make this rejection problematic?
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🎺CommanderB...
God., lots of the last one hundred years or more of discoverys happened by God fearing people, Mendle was a monk, the big bang was first positited by a Priest. Einstein was a devote Jew. A person's faith and science can coexist. It does not have to be one or the other.
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kallzo
God., I think it's all about respecting one another regardless of one's beliefs.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., thanks for dodging the question.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., on einstiens religion views: "Albert Einstein'sreligiousviews have been widely studied and often misunderstood.Einsteinstated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naive"
God.
🎺CommanderB..., georges priesthood was a heritage position, and hardly counts..
🎺CommanderB...
God., there is no dodging.
🎺CommanderB...
God., one does not inherit a priesthood.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., Mendel perused religion because he was able to get free education that way..
God.
🎺CommanderB..., I'm saying he was put in religious school* and was pushed to take religious roles. a bit unspecific, my bad. (Although priesthood has been passed down through blood before)
B Samson [WildFyre]
God., Yet one of the oldest continually active observatories is located in the Vatican.
🎺CommanderB...
God., the point is religion and science can coexist. Peacefully.
🎺CommanderB...
God., religion is not There to replace science.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., dodge stat + 100? My original question is "what about when they dont coexist peacefully?". What does "they can exist peacefully together" have to do with anything?
🎺CommanderB...
God., I don’t know of recent examples where one these were not evident. Gives me an example please.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., evolution deniers?
🎺CommanderB...
God., they may argue their point, it isn't violent.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT VIOLENCE?
🎺CommanderB...
God., the opposite of peace is violence. I asked for an example and this is what you gave me.
God.
🎺CommanderB..., your statements prior to "dodge stat + 100?" I said were irrelevant, because they didn't address the original question, so lets not go back to that.
B-rod
God., no disrespect but who are you to say what has the right to anything. What knowledge or power or absolute standard do you have to decide what should and shouldn't be.
God.
B-rod, I am as much an advocate for truth as you are. A duel of wits is truly just establishing who better advocates reality. Dont dim the sharpening of this duel with subjective truths.
SlimFootJesus
Man is a transient collection of atoms, God is a figment of his imagination. In that God is more real than man, at least we know who created him and why. But us humans, we are an anomaly, unique in all of known biosphere. Our existence alone is the cause of pain and suffering on a biblical scale. We are omnipotent with our creativity and omnipresent in our consciousness. Maybe we are God.
God.
SlimFootJesus, wait no, please.
SlimFootJesus
God., you are here impersonating God this idea shouldn't be too far out for you 😄
God.
SlimFootJesus, You contradict yourself. I can not impersonate that which does not exist, therefore I must exist!
SlimFootJesus
God., I don't follow, I never said you don't exist, I said God might very well be human, or humanity as a whole... This is the problem with Gods they are sort of slow to comprehend. Read my comment a few times there, try to make sense of it before you reply with an unnecessary play on words, God impersonating person ☺...
God.
SlimFootJesus, but I< am not human, therefore saying that I am human says me< as my traditional concept does not exist, however by saying I< impersonated God, I must exist. This is the problem with humans. They're slow.
SlimFootJesus
God., your personal or fictional existence is not the point of my comment see... you brought it up, and you are still talking about you... I mean it is kind of clear why you choose God as an avatar, your ego is god sized, I'll give you that... But yeah, what you don't get is my comment is an open ended discussion into the nature of God, regardless of if he exists or not or if we created it or it created us or if we all just don't exist to start with etc... it is quite paradoxical in many degrees, so don't feel bad for not getting it...
God.
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SlimFootJesus
Hey God don't be mad, you know I love you. I enjoy reading your comments. Subtle humor is hard to pick up on since we are basically texting each other, you could have used a subtle emoji to signify it maybe? Well that wouldn't be subtle though... oh well... As I said I couldn't follow, maybe it is the lack of facial ques, or language barrier. Well regardless. Sorry to piss you off, but I gotta say it was fun to see you drop your act for a second 😃 Be good God, no hard feelings, I am your biggest fan...
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😈 you lie...
SlimFootJesus
Awakened, 9-11 😃
God.
SlimFootJesus, To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep aboutLIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty trulyAREidiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
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SlimFootJesus
God., youtube keeps suggesting me to watch them, I held off on it as I only consume non fiction materials only: news, videos on quantum physics, cryptography, finance... but I will make an exception. 😉... by the way I have no clue who Narodnaya Volya is or Turgenev' Russian epic, they seem interesting... But then again one thinks to himself... if the show has anything worthwhile to say, they would try make it obvious, why exclude people? A truely worthy message is better shared than kept to a small exclusive clique, so by my wisdom Rick and Morty can not be worthy of attention... but if God likes it, it is definitely worth checking out ☺
God.
SlimFootJesus, amen
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Cryptofarmer are the new fake in this alterned reality of Sola...their religion seems me science ! 😁😁
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Charlie🥓Waffles
This card gets 100 cuz its so true.
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Amazing ! 😂
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💀Th0mas💀
How can i give more than 100? xd
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mallepietje
Is *all* of it fake news? A lot of it is of course, but also a lot might not be. I'm not a religious man at all, but I don't believe *everything* in there is fake.
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Jack (writer) 🎺
Of course it's fake news. God is everything. Real news. Fake news. Funny posts. Shit posts. He is the alpha and the omega, now let us bow our heads as we read Memery 24/7 And lo' he doth raise his fingertips, lower his palm, flex his arm and Saltbae giveth salt and taketh thine dignity and a moment of your life, whilest you doth examine mine post.
Marco
Religion is opium of people, someone said...
Solfinder
The Romans got their hands on the Bible which made the world a better place. It transformed thinking and actions. It's how we got the printing press and many other inventions to better life. I believe churches make life better then any other organization or government. Many church's could even sustain a town by its self and govern it's people by its self without a formal government. My point is, is that if the Bible is fake it would be of the Devil and no good thing comes from the Devil. Good things come from God and the Bible is a good thing that has converted many people to change many things in people lives.
Mich Millner (puhn)
So all your theory is based on the existence of a so called heaven and a hell.
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Solfinder
Mich Millner, No... I don't just believe in Heaven or Hell, I believe more then just those two places, as the Bible says there are more... And nobody knows what will happen after we die until you die... Which there has been many testimonies of people dieing and seeing loved ones that have past away and have seen Jesus. So this theory is actually proof because of countless testimonies
mallepietje
Solfinder, that they "see" them isn't proof. We also see people in our dreams.
Solfinder
mallepietje, they talk to them and so on, and see there body with family around them. So on so on, you should read some stories. When you die you die and when your spirit leaves your body it does not count as a dream. They are actual spirits that talk to one another and see each other.
Mich Millner (puhn)
Solfinder, this is ridiculous
Solfinder
Mich Millner, I can give you proof after proof God is real, there is no proof that God is dead
Mich Millner (puhn)
Solfinder, he’s not dead, he simply doesn’t exist
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Solfinder
Mich Millner, proof it, give me testimonies, evadence.
Solfinder
Mich Millner, the fine tuning of the universe argument makes more sense then a big bang theory if you are going to go into science. https://youtu.be/UjGPHF5A6Po
Mich Millner (puhn)
Solfinder, is my testimony proof enough?
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Solfinder
Mich Millner, that you have not seen God and your opinion? I guess it can be.
mallepietje
Solfinder, I've read some of those stories. All of those images I can also form in my imagination.
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Marco
Please read something else... The Quran, the Torah, Vedas and any other religious book bring the same message, just in different ways or languages... I am not against religion, I am against the institutions that monetize people's faith and fears
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Marco, the people nowadays believe in Algorithmen, not in the symbols of ancient culture and wisdom..they can't understand this and they think it's not "useful " for them today !
Diana
Brilliant!!
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My thoughts too ...!! 😜
SlimFootJesus
This puts it so lightly, it is more sinister, religious texts are not news! They are tools for propagating political ideology propaganda and an attempt to control the minds of their subjects through the use of repetition, rituals, and dogma. But can they have positive effects on the believer? I think so... And through out time they might have done some good helping create civilizations. In the long run though, we won't need them, as data shows less and less people care for them anymore...
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
The bible isn't fake I've holded it in my hands. Checkmate athiest.
Ali Mazhar
No body has the right to criticize any sect, race, religion etc. SPREAD PEACE 💙
Coyote
THIS IS OFFENSIVE! I AM MORE THAN JUST A BODY
CV41
Only one religion can be correct and statistically speaking, your religion is probably the wrong one.
The dark passenger
CV41, at most one religion can be rigtht. They could also all be wrong. In fact the "TRUTH" could be a religion not discovered/revealed to humanity.
CV41
The dark passenger, I agree. Most or all religions are wrong. If God exists he must be really angry at all the people worshipping false idols.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, or maybe worshipping him in the way their culture understands?
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The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., it. Not him. If your point is true.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., What if atheism is what your culture understands? What about the Manson family? Charles Manson considered himself a religious leader. Is he in heaven right now?
The dark passenger
CV41, depends on if the myth about heaven is true and what access he need to get in. Most likely he is just dead.
CV41
The dark passenger, maybe Charles Manson was the second coming of Christ and when his death sentence was commuted to life in prison in 1972 when the California supreme Court invalidated the state's death penalty statute he was unable to suffer for our sins and now we're all going to hell.
God.
CV41, honestly this argument ensures that anyway
CV41
God., I would say "I'll see you in hell" but you'll be in heaven with all the lucky people born into the one correct religion, assuming there is one correct religion.
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
A banana fits perfectly in my hand. Explain that atheist. Checkmate atheist.
The dark passenger
It also fits in your behind. Please explain
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Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
When I put my popcorn in the microwave at 6:66 it burns like hell. Checkmate atheist.
Mich Millner (puhn)
Maybe you need a better microwave
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Mich Millner, Nope it is proof of hell and all that's evil. Checkmate atheist
Ali Mazhar
Mich Millner, if you think God doesn't exist than how this whole universe is working PROPERLY. Who made this universe? Just tell me
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Mich Millner (puhn)
Ali Mazhar, 😴
The dark passenger
Ali Mazhar, 99.99 % of the universe is dead stone and hostile environment.
The dark passenger
The dark passenger, working bad
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CV41
Ali Mazhar, if God made the universe what made god?
Ali Mazhar
CV41, you may better read the Holy Quran just once. You would get the answers of every question
God.
CV41, (no you wouldnt)
CV41
Ali Mazhar, what did people believe before the Quran? People existed before the Quran and believed something else I guess.
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Atheist this is proof for God's existence. https://youtu.be/Kppx4bzfAaE checkmate atheist
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
Science says the earth is billions of years old. But 2 out of 3 bible websites say that's wrong. It's a landslide atheist. Checkmate atheist.
🎺CommanderB...
The Bible is not a scientific study in geology!
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God.
🎺CommanderB..., I beg to differ
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., There is geology in the Bible. You should read it but be forewarned it's pretty boring, pointless, and stupid. Job 28:5-6 "The earth, from it comes food, And underneath it is turned up as fire. "Its rocks are the source of sapphires, And its dust contains gold.
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🎺CommanderB...
CV41, I know there is geology in there. It is not a geology text.
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🎺CommanderB...
God., you think the Bible is a scientific geology textbook?
God.
🎺CommanderB..., absolutely totally
🎺CommanderB...
God., ok, carry on
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., God is infallible and he wrote the Bible. It seems the Bible should be a good source for any scientific inquiry. If you think otherwise you are opposing god.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, God inspired the various books in the Bible. He did not write it. It is not and has never been a science book.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., If the Bible was only inspired by god how can we know which parts are accurate?
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, that is a good question. I will think about it for a while.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., My thinking is if the Bible is the work of man then it is flawed and contains mistakes.
bruise
CV41, further. If he's an all-seeing, all-powerful God, then the worst failings of the worse of men and women are also his creation: He chooses to let /us suffer because, what, on a whim?
God.
bruise, its fun tbh
CV41
bruise, mysterious ways I'm guessing.
God.
CV41, shit, yeah, that
CV41
God., Who are we to question your mysterious ways?
God.
CV41, yeah!
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🎺CommanderB...
CV41, I would say the overall concepts provided are directionally correct. However as man is sinful and imperfect on this plane, there may be mistakes in the text from our 21st century point of view. I still contend the Bible is the word of God written in the words of men at the time it was written. The whole Bible is many different books written over hundreds of years.
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., you contend in spite of all evidence to the contrary? Good contending going on.
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., effortful contending.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., Is the Bible correct when it endorses slavery? Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respectand fear, and with sincerity of heart,just as you would obey Christ.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, I think, maybe what it is saying is regardless of station, do your job the best you can. Remember, at the time, slavery was allowed.
🎺CommanderB...
bruise, evidence of what?
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., not contemporaneous, partial, contradictory etc etc
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., Slavery was allowed at that time but was god okay with it? I understand human morality has evolved over time but has God's morality evolved as well?
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, God hasn't changed. People have.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., If God hasn't changed why did his book endorse slavery? Is god for or against slavery?
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, God does not like slavery. He did not endorse slavery. Peter wanted people to understand they should do what is right. Working hard is the right thing to do. No matter what station one finds themselves in.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., The Bible explicitly tells slaves to obey their masters. God disagrees with the Bible?
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, slavery then although still bad, was a catch all phrase for servants. We are all servants in one form or another.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., It doesn't say servants it says slaves. Slave has never been a catch all phrase for servant.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, in your copy it says slaves. In mine it says servant.
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., so your version has been edited to fit better with modern morality and ethics, yes?
🎺CommanderB...
bruise, or maybe yours is written to incite certain or various emotions?
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., id's certainly possible to have a look at the Aramaic and Hebrew originals. They say slave. Is this the received word of God or not?
🎺CommanderB...
bruise, it is the word of God. What are you trying to do? You can pick apart anything you don't like from any document in history. You don't have to like the Bible, you don't have to like the God it discusses, you don't have to like it has always been a best seller. Why are you so focused on this part? I am not a theologian or a Priest or a Bible scholar. Are you? I am not one who read Greek and Aramaic, my Latin is rusty. Do you know how to speak those languages? What is your end game?
bruise
🎺CommanderB..., other texts don't claim to be the word of God and often play by the rules of logic and probability. The bible not so much.
🎺CommanderB...
bruise, it doesn't have to. We covered this already.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., The Bible reflects the morality of the people who wrote or translated it. There are differences because it's the work of man. If God exists it should be within his power to deliver an unambiguous and consistent message. God is either incompetent or non-existent.
The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., the bible describes the end of the world as we know it and what will happen after. Armageddon. Rebirth. Heaven or ethernal life. Call it whatever you want. Do you look forward to that?
🎺CommanderB...
The dark passenger, yes
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, or maybe we humans can’t see his plan and this is all part of it.
The dark passenger
🎺CommanderB..., would you like it to happen today? If you could decide would you the make it happen sooner or later?
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., If God was an adequate communicator there would be one religion and we wouldn't kill each other over our different ideas about which religion is right. If God exists he is incompetent or a monster.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, or let free will reign.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., God punishes us for exercising our free will if our actions don't comport with his wishes but doesn't clearly communicate his wishes. Why wouldn't he just let us know?
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Pro Creator
CV41, there is everytime a "messenger" - if it's necessary he founded a new religion in the turmoils of the time he/her is ! For one is this hope, for the other the fear of the future.
CV41
Awakened, Are you talking about L. Ron Hubbard?
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Pro Creator
CV41, Scientology is neither religion nor beliefe ! But an effektiv business Modell with psychological background.Btw. I like the sarcastic humor of Hubbard ..he was a good writer.
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, he has, he gave us the 10 commandments, he gave us the golden rule, a great number of prophets and Saints through out the ages. Remember once one sins, one can be forgiven.
CV41
🎺CommanderB..., What about the Quran? Is that God's word too? I can't follow both the Bible and the Quran which should I choose?
CV41
Awakened, how is Scientology different than any other religion? They are all effective business models with a psychological background.
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🎺CommanderB...
CV41, you must choose
🎺CommanderB...
CV41, the Koran has bits and pieces of the Bible in it.
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CV41
🎺CommanderB..., I don't want to choose I want to follow God's will. God can't possibly support both. Which is true?
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Pro Creator
CV41, what you think ? Scientology is a belief in 1000 years ? Sorry for my bad english so I can't tell more and I'm not a Missionar !
CV41
Awakened, I think there will likely be no religion in 1000 years. Scientology is completely bogus but no more than any other religion. Your English is fine. I didn't know you weren't a native English speaker until now.
SlimFootJesus
🎺CommanderB..., it has more than bits and pieces... like they plagirised a good portion of it... their defense is cool though, they say it is the same author 😂 how crazy is that, how are you gonna refute that.... (I know you can refute it easily, but still the nerve one would need to pull this off)
Righteous Pie Loving Joshua
hey atheists if god doesn’t exist then why does dog backwards spell god???? Checkmate atheist
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bruise
My world view just collapsed.
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Mich Millner (puhn)
In German it’s Dnuh, let’s praise Dnuh 🙏🏻
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SlimFootJesus
So if you throw a dog at god they cancel each other out and annihilate... 🤔🤔 like dogs are god's dark matter...
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God.
SlimFootJesus, thats not how any of this works
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