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Photo #1 from Melíssia, Greece by Nick Kontogouris made on 2016-11-06 02:38 for Sola
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Hanover Fiste
I'd say it's purpose was freedom of choice. This is a point I make when other Christians want to ban gay marriage and abortion. God gave free will and you think it's your right to take it away?
apandit42
But wouldn't God then have known what was going to happen anyway? To God, is the future just as set and known as the past?
Hanover Fiste
apandit42, according to the Bible there is no time in heaven. So everything that will happen has already happened. Likewise the time realm we live in will end when everything "rolls up like a scroll" (sounds like the university will implode under its own pressure opposite of big bang) and time will be no more. Hope that answers your question
Hanover Fiste
apandit42, according to relativity time is caused by motion. When matter didn't exist (before the universe began) there was no time. Likewise if matter changed its speed time would also be altered. This is my own personal theory: if time can change based on motion in the universe how can we measure it's age? 😲
apandit42
The It...Yeah, I'm not too sure about time being caused by motion, because I think I remember in at least special relativity time just being relative to the reference frame of the object, like moving and nonmoving objects experiencing time differently. But yeah, changing speed of the matter would slow down time from the outside frame. And for measuring the universe's age, because of how time depends on the frame of reference we can by looking at the whole universe and the rate at which it is expanding we can calculate how old it is.
apandit42
The It...Yeah, so to try understand your view on god better, he exists beyond time in heaven? So god knew and nows how everything will begin and end, but the fall of humans was a necessary evil for his plan?
Hanover Fiste
apandit42, that's how I read it and I posted a scripture to back it up. I can find more if you have any questions
bobdaduck
"Failure" is only possible when you can say what the goal was. I haven't yet found anything in scripture that suggests God intended for them to stay in Eden. There is no growth without stress, but it had to be Adam's choice.
Hanover Fiste
One would think an all knowing God who knew the future already would know that lucipher would fall and so would Adam. Apparently he needs evil in order to fulfill his ultimate plan. Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, God is the cause of evilness? Wow nice one!
A.Aziz
We, as Muslims, we believe that God knows what will happen in all the universe. And we believe that he has preserved wrote a book in which the fates of the creatures and what will happen to them until the Day of Resurrection, and because it is the Almighty knows what he will do and what people choose to create them before, so God wrote everything in the book is saved in the sky. "Prophet Muhammad has said peace be upon him: that when God told him create a pen type. Pen said, what type? God said type fates everything to the Day of Resurrection". There are also many verses in the Koran speaks of Allah's knowledge of the secrets of how and what will happen will happen.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Do you know how many religions claiming they re right exists right now? What makes yours better then the others? And every scripture we have so far us written by humans CLAIMING its with Devine intervention, something that's not verifiable by any means.
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, the very nature of religion makes one believe theirs is the right one. Otherwise they would have chosen another one....
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, and kill based in that belief, thats why we're so screwed nowadays!
A.Aziz
Nick Kontogouris, The Qur'an is the proof, it is not the words of humans, but the word of God Almighty, all other religions have different books of the Torah and the Bible and the other have different and contradictory versions. But the Koran was found in America is the Koran was found in Saudi Arabia and China and Indonesia, and so, of course, you will be asked how did you know that the Koran is the truth, and I will tell you to look for yourself and you'll find the right.
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, not all religions teach killing. Crazy people kill for many reasons. Yes there have been organized killings based on religion but that was a human choice and not the fault of the religion. There are some exceptions but I won't name that religion I'm sure you know. Man has chosen to kill for many reasons besides religion.
NotDarkYet 👁
A.Aziz, Basically all sacred scripture are based on prophetic revelation which is a product of the human psyche. That the revelation comes from God is an article of faith and has no scientific proof.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
A.Aziz, 2013 gave my Shahada, before that takes place i gave 6 months from life to teaching me about Islam. The BS i heard during that time was beyond me.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, you're right, the thing is no God existed so far capable stopping the killings because for doing that takes a real God with real badass powers!
A.Aziz
NotDarkYet 👁, That's what you think you are, but believers know it is the right, you need to wear glasses to see the faithful by what they see.
A.Aziz
Nick Kontogouris, Sorry ,I did not understand what you mean.
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, that it was not from God and came from man also has no proof. Got a link to prove your claim? 😂
Nick KontogourisAuthor
A.Aziz, to be convert to Islam required by me to watch lessons about Islam, 3 times per week for six months. At some countries at least.
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, When a human being have an experience/awareness of something external induced by the senses OR from the inside as dreams / visions the only thing we can be sure of is that it is something happening in the human psyche
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, no you can't! There is no evidence that a spirit realm doesn't exist or if there is it can't speak to us.
A.Aziz
Nick Kontogouris, In any country it asked for it? And from whom? You have to know the rightful Muslims, there are those who say he is a Muslim and is far from the truth of Islam.
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, But that is nothing for me to prove, that's up to you.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, the default state for something is a nonexistent one till can be proven that exists and not the other way around.
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, Dreams and visions are normal functions of the human psyche, we don't have to make up imagined explanations.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
A.Aziz, i used to live in Singapore. And i gave my Shahada at The Muslim Converts Association of Singapore
A.Aziz
Nick Kontogouris, Well, you're a Muslim, what is the problem?
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, you made some very good points, but when it comes to religion you can't ask everyone to refrain until it can be proven. Also although dreams are normal you can't determine that all dreams especially daytime ones while awake are just regular dreams. Once again you do make good points and I agree with your default state with this one exception.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
A.Aziz, lived with Christians ive read the Bible, ive lived with Muslims ive read the Quran everything more than once but still don't believe anyone. Planet needs more peace and less religious people IMHO.
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, There exists a lot of experiences in analyzing dreams with comparison to mythology and religion that shows that there are all kinds of dreams. Those that deal with personal problems but also those that deals with collective issues with the same characteristics and topics as we see in so called prophetic dreams. These things are part of our unconscious mind.
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, ok how do you explain a prophecy that Jews would lose their land for 1300 years and get it back....then it happening? Coincidence? Conspiracy?
A.Aziz
Nick Kontogouris, I think you will need more time. And I hope the fact that finds your heart on the right. But I did not know the nature of the Muslims who you're with them, Islam began from Mecca look for a faith that believes are the people of Mecca. If offered you an invitation to one of the sites to answer all your questions, and if you liked to communicate outside of the program I do not mind.
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, There are some dreams/visions that seem to foresee the future, but often in a very vague way. It might be through some non causal function (i.e. syncronicity) that we don't fully understand yet. That said I find no reason to make belief of some spiritual entity outside of the "physical" cosmos
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, so you only believe in 4 dimensions then...and what is currently called spirit doesn't exist...ok
NotDarkYet 👁
The It...Yeah, I don't think there is anything outside or besides cosmos that we can call spirit, but on the other hand, there are emerging properties of complex structures of energy/matter who behaves in such a way that it can live up to the name "Spirit".
Hanover Fiste
NotDarkYet 👁, so you don't believe it but there are emerging properties....now you're making no sense....
Nick KontogourisAuthor
A.Aziz, im always open to anything, Learning is hardly lost time.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
And here's an interesting question... It is possible for God to know that there's something he doesn't know? Needs some deep thinking before answer.,right?
Hanover Fiste
I got a better paradox. You may have heard it before. Can god make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it? Of course this is just philosophical nonsense. You can always create paradoxes with words.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, yeah i heard still waiting someone to give me a valid answer lol The questions are philosophical indeed and can't truly answered because based in an unproven assumption... Existence of God
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, if there is a god it will never be proven so give up on that debate. Some believe some don't. Here's another paradox: if you built a god detector how would you test it?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, lol no debate just cool talk here, but you gave a cool idea! God seeking device... 😁
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, I found it in the Bible. Many Christians don't want to believe that God intended evil but I can prove (assuming you believe the Bible) that he did
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, your assumption is wrong, i define myself as atheist/agnostic but still searching for the truth if there's anything such out there.
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, I'd say you're agnostic because atheists have already decided. I'll tell you how I made my choice, and I'm trying to keep my comments neutral here, I talked to whatever god might exist and asked him to show me. Reason is, according to the Bible he has to reveal himself to you. But there's other "gods" and I want to know which one if any is real. It took years but it worked. You won't find a god by talking to humans.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, there's a point to your words, still it's a process and im not in hurry at all. Meanwhile im trying living a positive life and not directly at least harm anyone, animal included (except mosquitos which i kill them wherever I find them!)
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, lol I kill those too! Well if it's not too much or too weird for you, try what I did and see if anything happens. Probably more than once but it doesn't have to be every day lol
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, well i must admit that in harsh time i talk to my imaginary friend hoping he will show up someday, ive no problem at all changing my mind if something happens... Time will tell right?
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, well just imagine you're god and for some reason you only reveal yourself to those who ask. Would you want to be compared to an imaginary friend? Lol! When I said I was sincerely seeking the truth and real god is when it eventually worked.
Taylor
Well things can go either way. It is up to the human for which way it does go. Choices. Of course I'm speaking for myself.
Hanover Fiste
👍 today is a result of yesterday's choices
Nick KontogourisAuthor
As long concern myself i don't want to live again or live in paradise or whatever so religion or God have nothing to offer me. When i die i want to stay that way.
Hanover Fiste
If God is real then you won't have that choice
Nick KontogourisAuthor
The It...Yeah, well if i still having my free will i always can resist to someone who forcing into something that deeply disagree, right? All that IF he exists
Hanover Fiste
Nick Kontogouris, lol good one
Kirk
Or it could be that he still wanted them to make the world as we know it. It is interesting that they had so much more better to choose from that was good and they wanted the one bad thing they didn't have...
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Actually they being set up by god. There was no reason for a such tree exist in paradise.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
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