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Photo #1 from Melíssia, Greece by Nick Kontogouris made on 2016-11-04 23:20 for Sola
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Nicky
I would be safe with my mobile, localized EMP emitters.
Deathcall
Have you even read the Bible?
On the other hand
Would you like to have dinner with a mass murderer?
Deathcall
Clifford, depends on who it is.
Joseph Kerr
Church already hates science, so don't worry too much about it!!
thelevel
Or they'd program, love God and your neighbor as yourself.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
@deathcall you will impressed how many times i did along with Quran too. But that doesn't mean anything. It's how open minded you're while reading it.
GiantManInSky
That isn't how play works. You have to reply to their comments directly.
Hanover Fiste
So twisted it makes pretzels jealous....
Nick KontogourisAuthor
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Nick KontogourisAuthor
The Flash, so much thank you... Dying for that!
bobdaduck
Meh. Context means lots. Different times. And yeah, ignore all the "love thy neighbor" stuff in it.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
In that case that scripture is long ago outdated and irrelevant to our lives, right?
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, actually yes. The old testament law was "fullfilled" and, largely, is not needed to be practiced anymore. But hey, here's some more context: Israel is "God's covenant people" which means they're under a form of contract with God to live a certain way. Stoning those who commit adultery refers only to those who have entered into contractual obligation not to; a "stranger" traveling with Israel would have very different rules. They would still be expected to live a certain standard if sanitation/decency, but it wouldn't be as strict.
Deathcall
Can't believe anybody could fully read the context and still believe that.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
But the Bible is supposed given to human so they can read it, if it's so complicated and riddled with hidden messages what's the point reading it in first place?
Deathcall
Nick Kontogouris, to know the truth.
GiantManInSky
Deathcall, the truth is that it's a great fiction book that has been altered so many times that we will never be able to appreciate it for the masterpiece that it was.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Deathcall, which according to you is?
Deathcall
Nick Kontogouris, according to the many people bent on disproving the Bible. They failed.
On the other hand
Deathcall, Have people failed at disproving other holy books?
Deathcall
Clifford, yes.
On the other hand
Deathcall, There gOD'S are real too? There is way to many gOD'S to choose from? How do you do it
Deathcall
Clifford, Read the Bible. There is only one true God.
On the other hand
Deathcall, so all the rest of the gods or false? Isn't that a little arrogant on your part?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Deathcall, says who? Based on what?
On the other hand
Nick Kontogouris, you answer two questions with two questions. You said there's only one true God, researcher tell you there's lots of Gods
GiantManInSky
Deathcall, people have disproved the creationist part of the Bible.
Deathcall
Clifford, I said people have tried to prove the Bible wrong and failed. Other religions can be disproved.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Clifford, no i didn't.... Far from it. Just i don't understand where that knowledge of yours comes from. What valid sources you have?
On the other hand
Nick Kontogouris, sorry I thought I was talking to someone else. What valid source you talking about?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Clifford, no worries, valid sources of God's existence.
On the other hand
Nick Kontogouris, there's no proof of any one's God's existing. I guess if they could there only be one religion then?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Clifford, well not necessarily, could God appearing on demand, he could do that with no fuss since is.... Eeeeer the God! Lol
thelevel
Deathcall, there can be only one. None contradicts reality, and with more than one, we'd find out what happened when they disagreed.
GiantManInSky
Deathcall, still saying that the creationist part of the Bible has been disproven.
A Wolf Amongst Sheep
Gotta love religion
AlexanderAurelius
Jesus fucking Christ these religious zealots are so damned ignorant
bobdaduck
Ever read the Bible?
Kirk
If u will notice, it's all from the old testament, not the new
thelevel
Shhh, you might break a stupid idea in half and piss them off
On the other hand
God's law shall not be broken
Nick KontogourisAuthor
So? None said the old testament is canceled or anything plus i can always post things from new testament trust me.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, nearly all Christian denominations accept the old testament as no-longer-in-force, to one extent or another. Made extremely clear by a parsing of the book of Galatians.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, i see, so according to you Genesis is not valid anymore too... (facepalm)
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, tell me one thing that genesis commands me to do, rather than making vague potshots, please. If you're actually interested in understanding I need an actual question/argument.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, let's clear first if old testament is valid or not.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, according to the majority of Christian/protestant, no. Bunches don't even use the OT in their sermons. I personally am LDS, with different and much more complex beliefs about the old testament. For the sake of things, I'll give you a blanket heuristic: external performances given in the Old testament are not used (don't eat pork), moral principles (chastity, honesty, etc.) are. Ways of enforcing the principles (stoning, etc.) are not.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, Americans do have a very specific saying for that kind of thing... Its Cherry Picking and if you do it then i will do it too and things be a mess. It's plain ridiculous. But since we're at Genesis explain me something. If eve came from Adam why she has different chromosome?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, bible is wrong in so many levels.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, and you know something, as concern myself i don't need religion for doing good, and doing good i don't expect any kind of bribe.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, it isn't cherry picking. Everyone even vaguely familiar with Judaism knows that there are huge differences between the law (Torah) and the rules (Talmud). The old testament had very specifc laws of sanitation, and very specific laws of morality. There was another division too, which I don't remember. But it really is not strange to say "the legal and sanitary laws were done away, and thr moral laws remain." Did you seriously just ask "if Eve came from Adam why she has different chromosome"? Do you think Eve's advent was some sort of test tube petri dish affair? Please explain your views using scripture.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, i will answer tomorrow or ASAP its too late here and im a bit sleepy
thelevel
Nick Kontogouris, "doing good" or "goodness" is a concept which implies a God. Only a careless person who hasn't thought about it fully would try to say otherwise. With no God, there's no such concept or reason for good. Simple as that. Atheists just fudge the heck out of it and prove nothing to say otherwise.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, no problem. Its just you are telling me what I and others believe, when its fairly clear you've never actually studied the subject. It would be like me saying "everyone from greece (you're in greece) does Zeus worshipping rituals" and then insiting upon it when you dispute me.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, find me on Facebook, will be way easier for having that kind of chat (look after the mango fruit)
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Jason, what doing good implies? Gee never seen coming a such dumb comment! What you said is so wrong in so many levels that can take pages to explain!
thelevel
Nick Kontogouris, no, you are wrong and it's because you haven't taken the time to think this through. You must be applying some vague idea which seems to fit. The concept of good can only exist because of a God. Without a God, there is no reason for it.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, this is to say, relative morality, no matter its utilitarian purposes, still dissolves a lot of boundaries we think of naturally. You can argue "good" comes from either yourself, culture, or authority, but nobody would say that murdering kids in the name of any of those things is "good". Remember, C.S. Lewis was an Atheist until he realized he had a conscience and could not explain where it came from.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Jason, according to you can you describe what Good is?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, it is relative almost! Humans must value and protect life, that's the basis of a universal rule. If we disagree on that then there's no common ground to talk. But if we do agree then we can take it from there.
bobdaduck
Nick Kontogouris, there are many humans that do not believe in valuing or protecting life. On what basis can you say your morality is good and theirs is not?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
bobdaduck, on basis that human's life is/must be protected above all. Of course if you ask a cow probably she will disagree. At first i must value my life above all so be able to protect anyone else. Still i can sacrifice myself if i judge that will worth the sacrifice.
thelevel
Nick Kontogouris, I agree that people have some property. As in, we don't have rights to all or no property. For example, we have a right to our bodies. My concept for morality is based out of this concept of property rights. But it's a bit random in a discussion about good. Also, what the heck is universal rule?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Jason, Universal rule.... Well i was thinking something that is acceptable by all but my English sucks (not my mother language) Back in track, so protecting life, specifically human's life is something not related to any God. Right? Helping you in harsh times must be done no matter... your skin color. nationality. how much rich or poor you are. to what God you believe at (and the list goes on) ... Right?
Kirk
I like what Jason said-how can someone who only believes in evolution and cells also believe in right and wrong if there's no natural basis for it
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