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Photo #1 from Marousi, Greece by Nick Kontogouris made on 2018-01-06 20:15 for Sola
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Mirror
Well north korea call itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but that doesn't really make an argument against democracy, does it?
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Nick KontogourisAuthor
Well i know what you're saying and you're right, what im trying to say is if a god really existed its his fault letting humans use his name that way. Right? And if a God is wrong he's not god at all!
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, but God left free will, which means humans can do whatever on Earth and then later respond to that in the afterlife.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, well here's the problem with the free will BS. God's either has a plan for everyone so everything is scripted so kiss goodbye free will, or... God gave free will to humans and now he's useless to us since... Well we've free will to do our whatever! Except if the so called free will comes with a price tag, in that case, sorry I'll pass (since ive free will i can do that right?).
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, the fact that you are able to choose what to do doesn't exclude the fact an omniscient being knows what you will choose. Free will means that when you are presented with a choice you can make it by yourself, not that you can create choices out of nothing. You can renounce to free will by killing yourself I guess but you can't really make yourself being fully alive and functional and unable to make choices
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, i really don't understand how you (or were) based that definition of what free will means, because free will in English means entirely something else. Im sure you can Google it, if you can't i can do it for you. Having the option to follow the route A or B i can choose to not go anywhere or simply go where i came from. Thats my friend is genuine free will.
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, yeah but you can't wish not to have that option at all or to have an option when you don't. Look at it like a road. Sometimes you have a juncture and you choose which way to go. But you can't create junctures of your own
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, well always i can create my own path by going an unpaved direction. Metaphorically speaking always. No god necessary for doing that either, right? My point here is we need less gods and more common sense now days.
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, the fact something is not necessary doesn't mean it is not true. also, no, no unpaved way. if there is a choice, there is always a road for it in our example. see the going on the unpaved direction as something physically impossible like ubiquity. you can want to be both in europe and in america at the same time, but you can't
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, well you're right about the existence and just like that we entered the part of discussion of defining what god is exactly so we can see if can exist in our reality a such entity and how useful could be one. You may or may not answer that tho.
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, a reasonable definition of God might be an immobile motor of all things. A first cause of existance
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, since i just woke up (kind of) I'll continue little bit later if that's ok with you.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, So we reached another point that we must agree before we go further, all things have a creator including creator itself. An entity existing just like that on its own apart from laughable poses new problems (like what the hell was doing BEFORE start messing with us) In addition how many worlds created and for how many of them he/she/it is responsible? And the list go on...
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, actually the idea of an ever existing God solves the regression problem. The *before* question implies the existence of time before the creation of everything.
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, an entity (God that defies universal laws or whatever) must somehow exists. Maybe it existed in a parallel universe way before the creation of ours where laws of physics of our universe simply don't apply. But i guess we agree at this point things get way fuzzy, we simply have no knowledge (yet)
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, so what is the difference between what you said above and calling such entity God?
Nick KontogourisAuthor
Mirror, me i don't accept the existence if an abrahamic god, simply he's not necessary for us to exist BUT i believe in an entity (or more than one) that is more powerful beyond our understanding.
Mirror
Nick Kontogouris, I see
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wow great card
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Slowdowngandhi
And that's why the nazis had beef with the pope. I call bullshit
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