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Pankso
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Freedom of speech means you support the right to other to say exactly those ideas which you do not agree with.

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Idagf about shit
This is bullshit ... just reported it
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Gesithan
Freedom of speech also means that I can get pissed off and fucken punch all the nazis. Like every nazi I see I be punchin. Fuck nazis.
flack
You can verbally punch them, and you can insult them and ridicule them, and make up amusing ditties and you can even fart loudly and pungently whenever they speak. But if you punch them without it being a response to physical violence, then you are breaking the law. If you encourage others to punch them publically, you are breaking the law. This is the downside of freedom of speech, the upsides are worth so much more.
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Gesithan
flack, true I'm breaking *a* law by punching literal nazis. But you know what law that is? Assault and Battery, not the 1st Amendment.
flack
Gesithan, absolutely. And if you want to punch nazis that’s not a problem with me personally. But I believe that incitement to violence is not protected speech? Not sure about American law. I live in the Uk.
Gesithan
flack, it is illegal here too at least nominally. As are many other types of speech. But any speech law case always seems to go public and a big ruckus is made my the Freeze Peach people accept you know when it's an imam who said the thing and it's always just a big inconsistent ad hoc national barometer mess.
flack
Gesithan, yeah we had one of those whole barometric kerfuckles recently. A guy trained his pug to raise its paw when he said gas the Jews, made a video, and got arrested for hate speech. It was clearly a joke, whether it’s funny or not isn’t the point I don’t think he should have been busted for it personally. It hands the wrong people the moral high ground.
Gesithan
flack, absolutely, that could have been solved much easier with his friends and family shaming him and maybe slapping him. Unfunny, offensive and trashy. Though also if images or videos of the dog doing the Nazi salute were propagated across the internet, that definitely makes it less of a joke and more of a *j o k e*. You know, like how Alex Jones is legally speaking a *c o m e d I a n*. Though speaking of him, I think corporate censorship is soon to become a huge issue. Because a corporation doesn't and cannot care about the Constitution or democracy, they care about making money.
flack
Gesithan, I dunno. It made me chuckle a little. In the way a naughty child pushing its luck might. And I absolutely agree with the corporate censorship thing. But where the line is, I find it hard to decide. When sola says no nips, It’s their house their rules. But if they say no leftist/rightist/whateverist politics? Then I think it’s out of bounds. Where do you think the line is for a company? How should it be decided?
Gesithan
flack, so much of humor is context though. From where I look out at the world, surrounded by Trump stickers and MAGA hats, it's hard for me to get much of a laugh out of Nazi shenanigans. And I think people use ironic behavior to test the waters, to guage reactions, before they very much unironically do the thing. As for platforms, it depends on their size and mission. A Marxist subreddit will obviously ban all capitalist posts because anyone reading a Marxist subreddit has probably already seen that argument 9,000 times before. But a very large place that purports to be a place for all discussion like Sola can't take sides that way, except to intervene in flame wars. And Google needs to stop trying to push neoliberalism. My suggest videos feed is full of PragerU and YouTube "Skeptics" who the algorithm should know I have absolutely zero interest in ever watching. And there was that debacle were anti-gay rights ads were playing before LGBT videos.
thelevel
What if you're deeply deeply offended? Especially if they're wearing a trump hat?
PanksoAuthor
If he has a Trump hat it may be very hard to support his words and thoughts but they are only words and you can still disagree :-)
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never
Do you run into a lot of Nazis, man? I'm trying to start a movement to attack the Huns. They did some bad things man.
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Gana
You're all quacks
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