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In our real lives free speech is said to be a right, but when we get online and interact with the world do we have free communication? I would say no. The thing is the more hate speech and anti free speech legislation we enable, the more that this can be used against the same people advocating for it. This sets up precedents for worse restrictions on our freedoms. What people seem to forget is that free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. If you say awful things, you probably won't get hired or treated with respect. So it's not like people need to be thrown in jail based on the words they use because as I explain in the video it's not about what was said, but rather who was offended and by how much. I absolutely don't think you should say offensive things, but if you believe in free speech you must advocate for the free speech of everyone including people you disagree with because otherwise the rhetoric you use to censor and silence someone else will eventually be used against you.

It pains me to see this unfold given I used to be very left leaning politically. In the past few years I've had to disassociate from the political ideals that prioritize morality and emotion over logic and being able to freely express yourself and be heard. Freedom of expression is being manipulated more and more every year in Canada and I'd like to see a 180 recovery. Let me know what you think about freedom of expression, free speech, how they both are dealt with when you're online, and any thoughts you have this.

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Activist Goat
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Free speech is mainly for the left, Twitter and Fecesbook love to censor the political right
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Scott Cunningham
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Activist Goat, yeah lol. Like I said I've had to disassociate from the left because of this madness.
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thelevel
It's free speech, until enough people feel offended. Then its categorized as hate speech. The culture of people who want to get offended is the problem
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Scott Cunningham
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thelevel, Yes exactly
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sikame
I get your point, it's quite reasonable and straight forward, which is respectable, but I honestly think that context matters. By that I mean that sometime, hateful speech leads to intellectual blindness, and eventually to the non-respect of free speech form those we want to give free speech to, out of respect for free speech. But the thing is, should we give free speech to those who advocate in it's restriction? I personally don't have an answer, because I believe that containing hateful ideas in the dark leads to massive underground propagation of those said ideas, but at the same time, I don't want them to destroy this principle, so I'm still thinking about it
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sikame
Sorry if my English isn't perfect, I might have made a few stupid mistakes
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Scott Cunningham
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Look realistically preventing someone from saying something doesn't stop them from thinking and feeling that way. With free speech we can keep track of the crazy people who would otherwise be underground. Also to have real free speech we must advocate for our enemies' free speech otherwise the restrictions we use against them will one day be twisted and used against us.
sikame
Scott Cunningham, yeah I totally agree, I might have expressed myself poorly, but I think that when it comes to physical manifestations/representations of those ideas, "we" might not have the ability to keep our "enemies" under control, as we're not capable of containing free speech. To be more simple, I don't think anyone as "control" over the ideas of others, but apart from that we're on the same page I believe.
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Scott Cunningham
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sikame, Yeah, but the point of free speech is that we put everything out there in the open and then let the people decide for themselves. It's what a real democracy should be. Many won't care and won't decide and that's fine. Those who do care will be able to have all the facts and then make the most quantifiable decision. Free speech will have fake news, but it doesn't take long for fake news to be outed. I'd rather have some fake news in the mix than scripted news or no news.
sikame
Scott Cunningham, mmh, fair enough, that's a great conclusion to this reflexion. I guess the only variable remaining is one's dedication and trust for the democratic system, but apart from that I can only agree :)
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Scott Cunningham
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Yes of which I don't have faith or trust for
Obtiks
Not everything should be said...
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Scott Cunningham
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There's a difference between should and can't and it's called free will and free speech
Obtiks
Scott Cunningham, you want to should what you want, you can fo so.... the net is a borrowed space, respect the owners...
Scott Cunningham
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Obtiks, it's hardly borrowed and we shouldn't respect the owners explicitly. We should respect everyone. There's no greater disrespect than censorship ;)
Obtiks
Scott Cunningham, Scott Cunningham, it is borrowed space man, whn you walk into somebody’s home, you must respect their guidelines....
Scott Cunningham
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Obtiks, the internet as a whole isn't borrowed space because there are no rules for the internet as a whole
Obtiks
Scott Cunningham, yeah well, it is a borrowed space.... And i am sure you know it. Every website has a server base, and that base belongs to somebody. You make a website, you need hard space. So technically even though its all connected, you are on somebody’s server. that is the reason censorship is possible. because they hold the rights....
Scott Cunningham
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Obtiks, by that logic then the government should be allowed to turn off your water and electricity based on your political views. Or is water a right? Is free speech a right?
flack
The crime of Hate speech should be restricted to speech designed to incite violence. Other things should be social matters.
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Scott Cunningham
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That is already enforced in regular speech and illegal in the US. In Canada, you have tons of restrictions
flack
Scott Cunningham, it’s getting that way here in the uk as well. I am sure you have heard of count dankula...
Scott Cunningham
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flack, Oh yeah for sure. In Canada we take that to the next level. In 2016 they introduced compelled speech into legislation.
Obtiks
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flack
Scott Cunningham, well, that’s absolutely mad. I disagree with a whole lot Jordan Peterson says, but on the compelled speech issue I am behind him absolutely. It’s terrifying.
Scott Cunningham
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flack, Yeah I like his motivational and psychology stuff, but not a fan of his religious content.
flack
Scott Cunningham, he is best when working from statistical fact. His opinions, not so hot...
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David Lu
I agree that we all need to stop talking and listen intentionally to others whom have different views. I think speech would be more free if we all stopped labeling it in a political/religious/status way. Can what people say just be what people say?
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Scott Cunningham
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David Lu, If it were only that simple eh?
Hanover Fiste
Just like you, I used to be pretty far left. I didn't change my views much, except when I learned about economics, but as far as my society views I haven't changed...but the spectrum has moved past me, to where I get accused of being conservative. No. I'm not them either. It's crazy how fast they have shifted.
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Scott Cunningham
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Yeah I mean I'm not "left" because they wouldn't even let me be if I wanted to
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